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Thorn General / Re: Early Club Tour rims
« Last post by B cereus on February 05, 2026, 11:06:24 AM »

I do indeed have the wrong brake/shifters on flat bars, they are Shimano ST-EF35-8 and ST-ET35L,


I’m not surprised that braking performance was poor with V brake specific levers.  I would make it a priority to fit full size V brake callipers both front and rear before I rode that bike much further.

Decent V brakes aren’t expensive and there’s a good supply on the secondhand market. The cheapest options generally use the frame mounting boss as a pivot bearing. Paying a little more will get you internal pivot bearing bushes and better brake shoes with replaceable pad option.
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Thorn General / Re: Early Club Tour rims
« Last post by martinf on February 05, 2026, 08:38:43 AM »
I do indeed have the wrong brake/shifters on flat bars, they are Shimano ST-EF35-8 and ST-ET35L, the bike was converted from drops to flats by the previous owner. I gather my options are to change these levers, to something like Deore LX M567 combined shifter/levers or change the cantilevers to V brakes, but again told by the bike shop that this would not be possible, but feel I might do this at some point, just a case of finding suitable V brakes.

I don't have issues with cantilever brakes myself. Two of my own bikes still have them, as does one of my wife's bikes. One of my "visitor" bikes has a cantilever brake on the front. Braking is less fierce than with V or disc brakes, but I can still lock the wheels on all my bikes in heavy rain, even the Bromptons with calliper brakes, so the limiting factor for braking is tyre adherence.

Converting from cantilevers to V-brakes can be an issue with drop bars, as suitable levers are becoming harder to get. It is less of a problem with flat bars. I have done several conversions on flat bar bikes, the most recent being a fairly old Dawes (probably late 1980's or early 1990's). Not yet had any flat bar bike where it wasn't possible to fit V-brakes instead of cantilevers.

For these conversions I use inexpensive XLC BR-V03 110 mm V-brakes, these give good clearance on wide tyres with mudguards. I reckon they work as well as more expensive models so long as the original brake pads are replaced, and with their bronze pivot bushes they seem to last quite well. Paired with fairly inexpensive Shimano DEORE BL-T610 brake levers, good quality brake cables and housings and Kool Stop brake pads (there are other good brands), in my opinion they work better than cheap cable operated disc brakes and about as well as the entry level Shimano hydraulic disc brakes.

I only have one disc brake on my own bikes, it is a good quality cable-operated TRP Spyre on the rear of my "touring" Brompton, which is heavily modified from standard with a Rohloff hub. Braking is, as always, limited by tyre adherence. The disc has three advantages on this bike :

- transmission picks up less muck than with a rim brake. It isn't possible to fit a Chainglider on a Brompton.
- rim wear is eliminated. The 16" rims on Bromptons wear quicker than on a large wheel bike, this isn't much of an issue for me as the rims are reasonably inexpensive and I build my own wheels.
- rim heating on long descents is eliminated for the rear wheel. Small rims heat up quicker than large ones. The disc will heat and cause brake fade, but I reckon this is less dangerous than the tyre blowing off a hot rim. 
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Thorn General / Re: Early Club Tour rims
« Last post by AdrianStone on February 04, 2026, 05:16:44 PM »
Thank you again for the replies.  I do now have the bike back home, the bike shop found some pads which fit, as in they don't extend back inside the forks, they do seem better, though I think I'll have a go at adjusting the height of the straddle wire, thank you for the Park Tools links.

I have checked the rim width with my ancient vernier callipers, these show the front rim to be 24mm (not 27mm!).

I do indeed have the wrong brake/shifters on flat bars, they are Shimano ST-EF35-8 and ST-ET35L, the bike was converted from drops to flats by the previous owner. I gather my options are to change these levers, to something like Deore LX M567 combined shifter/levers or change the cantilevers to V brakes, but again told by the bike shop that this would not be possible, but feel I might do this at some point, just a case of finding suitable V brakes.

Thank you again for all the words of advice and support, appreciated  :)
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Thorn General / Re: Early Club Tour rims
« Last post by B cereus on February 04, 2026, 04:04:49 PM »
I would recommend you have a go at solving this problem yourself. It will teach you the finer points of setting up this type of brake and give you the confidence to keep them performing optimally as the pads wear. The Park Tools web site is an excellent source of bike maintenance information.

https://www.parktool.com/en-int/blog/repair-help

This video deals with cantilever brakes which are very similar to those on your Club Tour.

https://www.parktool.com/en-int/blog/repair-help/cantilever-smooth-post-brake-service

My only criticism would be that I’m not a great fan of straddle link wires. In theory the correct length link wire should help to optimise MA but in practice this doesn’t allow for variations in the distance between the mounting bosses nor their height above the axle. Their main advantage is when running without a front mudguard, where they eliminate the risk of a conventional straddle wire snagging the front tyre and pitching you over the bars if the main cable fails.
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Thorn General / Re: Early Club Tour rims
« Last post by mickeg on February 04, 2026, 12:14:04 PM »
If you switch to V brakes, as PH noted, those need different brake levers.

Or, if you want to keep using the same brake levers, you can use one of these:
https://problemsolversbike.com/products/travel-agent

Those are getting harder to find now when so may people use disc brakes instead.

I use those on my Nomad Mk II and on the front on my Lynskey.  On those bikes I am using normal road brake type brake levers.

I am using the longest Tektro V brakes that I could find, they have an arm length of 110mm.  On my Nomad I want as much clearance as possible since I use 57mm wide tires and 65mm wide fenders.  Thus, a long arm length was needed.
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Thorn General / Re: Early Club Tour rims
« Last post by PH on February 04, 2026, 04:13:20 AM »
Back to the LBS today to explain my concerns, they're going to look again at simpler solutions.
I'm interested to hear the explanation!  The T261 was a popular touring rim about thirty years ago, it's 26mm width isn't in any way exceptional, it was the standard rim on many bikes including the Dawes Galaxy. There was some variation in brake boss widths until V brakes standardised it at 80mm, but forks designed for touring tyres wouldn't have been far off that.  Your canti brakes are pretty standard fare for the time period as well.  As said in your previous thread, those brakes work better the lower the straddle wire, as a consequence that also increases the distance from the rim.  I may be missing something, but I can't see why your brakes wouldn't work as well (Or as badly) as cantis have always worked.
If it were me and the bosses are wide enough and you're not concerned with keeping it original, I'd fit V brakes, there's good reason they replaced cantis, though they will also require different levers.
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Thorn General / Re: Selling Thorns
« Last post by Webswonder on February 03, 2026, 10:51:56 PM »
Hi, Thanks for the replies,

I'm 6 ft with normal legs and both bikes were made for me. The Nomad Mk2 says on the parts list "MK2 S+S Frame and Fork Set - Yellow - 620M" and the Mercury "Retro Green 580L for 46mm forks". Yes, well spotted, the Nomad is photographed near Lake Ohau in the central South Island NZ. It has spent most of its life in a custom made box in my daughters garage in NZ and was only used by me for a few weeks a year when I visited (and religiously changed the Rohloff oil). The Mercury comes with a spare set of forks with front pannier lugs and front pannier carriers. I love them both for their particular qualities, but I've decided that only my 2020 Raven will accompany me in my dotage.

Again, thank you for your advice. I think I will get all the details together and start by advertising the Nomad on this forum. Oh, and by the way, I live in west Wales where men are men and sheep are nervous, but am also in Cardiff most weeks.

Regards,

Jeremy
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Thorn General / Re: Selling Thorns
« Last post by pandanroll on February 03, 2026, 05:56:11 PM »
Hi,

I have bought two Thorns on this forum -- one Nomad a couple of years ago, and one Raven for a family member. Had good experiences both times -- honest, direct sellers, no faff.

I have sold non-Thorn bikes on Ebay and on another popular cycling forum. The forum sale the buyer was local so an easy transaction. Ebay sales involve a bit more effort responding to queries, some time wasters, but in the end no problem with the sale.

I would be potentially interested in the Mercury depending on size, price and location. After a long tour with a Rohloff I am trying to get a Rohloff equipped audax/ light tourer and Mercury fits the bill.

Good luck with the sale however you decide to proceed.
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Thorn General / Re: Early Club Tour rims
« Last post by mickeg on February 03, 2026, 04:48:36 PM »
I've seen a number of early Club Tours with Mavic T261 rims, so I gather they must have worked OK with the cantilever brakes?  I ask as my LBS tells me the front wheel which sports a Mavic T261 is too wide for the brakes to work effectively, not even if I switch to a V brake.  Opinions?

Thank you

Let us know how wide the rims are (outside, not inside width), as I have never heard of such an issue.

Most brake pads can be adjusted for width by how the washers are placed on the pad.
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Thorn General / Re: Early Club Tour rims
« Last post by AdrianStone on February 03, 2026, 02:58:33 PM »
Thanks for the reply, and yes it is.  I've felt a bit caught between the advice here and the LBS.

Back to the LBS today to explain my concerns, they're going to look again at simpler solutions.

Thank you for the advice again, it is appreciated
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