At the time of buying/ writing, Bafang doesn’t give you that much in the way of instruction.

That's true of almost every Chinese manufacturer and was true nearly twenty years ago when I first fitted a front motor. It may be that they deal mainly with OEMs aka bike manufacturers, who don't need instruction. And, of course, Chinese mainland consumers have no consumer rights -- if they bollox the kit, if it is broken in transit, if it is a Monday morning hungover job with bits missing or broken, in all cases it is their fault, not the manufacturer's liability. It's one of the reasons I bought my kit from a British supplier, Asian of some denomination, who had made instructions of their own for the 8FUN strain of Bafang, which was refined in Switzerland (I kid you not) for the sensitivities of Western consumers -- still without the slightest thoughtvc`zas≥/ by Bafang of providing instructions. The instructions weren't up to the standard of those I once wrote for a Belgian manufacturer of electronic kits, but if you knew a little about electricity, you could busk your way through.

I have Andre Jute to thank for writing about the level of power/torque you need.

My pleasure. One of the good things about this forum is that so many members give credit where it is due.

Hurrah for you getting it working.

I never fitted a PAS to my wife’s hybrid - and like that she could start by just using the thumb throttle.  Which at times (upslope, in too high a gear) could be very useful.

I not only live up a steep hill, I live on a steep hill. Starting out for the countryside on this side of town is uphill, so a throttle is more than just useful, it is essential because the whole pedelec legal concept, designed by German lawmakers who were actively hostile to cycling (Germany lived by automobile exports until the Greens wrecked their country so that there is no electricity to keep the factories running), is counterproductive to real life cycling, where you need more assistance when starting up, not less, but the pedelec gives you less when starting up, and on a hill, and when you're heavily loaded, less and less as your legs get tired. Ugh!

This is what my loaded rig looks like (minus a 5 year old and some panniers).

And a photo of the complete bike before I dismantled it (most of the parts will be reused on another project).

I'm selling one of my two Thorn Raven Tour frames. This one is the largest size, 612S. I bought the frame 12 years ago.

Raven Tour is suitable for load carrying, not quite as much as the Thorn Nomad, but the frame is certainly capable of carrying a camping load if suitable racks are fitted. Or, in my case, fully loaded front and rear panniers when I stock up with food at the local supermarket. According to the 2012 Thorn brochure the load carrying capacity is 12 kg on the front and 28 kg on the back.

The frame is for 26 inch wheels and V-brakes. Braze ons and eccentric bottom bracket are suitable for a Rohloff hub. I built the bike up as a utility bike with a Nexus Premium 8-speed hub. I suppose it would be possible to use derailleur gears, but this would need a bolt-on hanger for the rear derailleur.

The paintwork is still the original, with a few scratches and a fair number of discolourations, but no rust on the frame and forks. The insides of the frame and forks were treated for anticorrosion when I got the bike. 

The frame comes with :

- twin plate forks (Reynolds 531). The fork steerer has not been cut.
- FSA Orbit headset
- Thorn 27.2 mm seatpost
- Front low-loader rack. This has a couple of rust points.
- Thorn spanner for the eccentric.

I am asking 120 euros excluding shipping for the frame and accessories listed. I am in France, so the shipping costs risk being quite high to the UK after Brexit, probably not so bad for countries in the European Union.

Lovely bikes to see. Someone is going to get a really nice one for the summer.