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General Technical / Re: Belt drive article from Thorn Blog
« Last post by martinf on Today at 08:14:31 AM »
On the same page he also explains why you're likely to get 20,000km + from an uncovered KMC X1 chain with minimal maintenance.

I think that depends on where and when you ride. I live near the coast and ride in all weathers, so when it rains the tyres pick up wet sand and mud and a rim brake sprays it over the chain, even when I don't go off-road and keep to tarmac.

The best I have managed so far is 8,300 kms with an old type bushed 1/8" chain used on a hub gear bike. This was long before I knew about the ChainGlider. More typically, I would get between 2,000 and 4,000 kms on a derailleur bike. Bromptons are worse, typically 2,000 kms or less, probably because the transmission is closer to the ground and picks up more muck.

KMC advertises 3,500 kms plus for the successor to the X1 and 10,000 kms plus for their long-life 1/8" chain if used with their own 1/8" chainring and sprocket.

The photo attached shows the results of one of my first rides with a ChainGlider The wet sand on the outside of the ChainGlider would have gone on the chain if it wasn't covered.

In my experience, a ChainGlider keeps most of the mud and sand off the transmission. Water gets inside when it rains, but it drains out. A ChainGlider works for me to significantly reduce transmission maintenance.


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Thorn General / Re: larger tyre up front on Mercury Mk3
« Last post by JohnR on Today at 05:33:49 AM »
I can't think of a good reason for putting a bigger tyre on the front than on the back. In fact, I've done the opposite and put a slightly smaller tyre on the front on the basis that it carries less load than the rear tyre.

I was almost 70 when I first encountered tubeless bike tyres and am now a convert. A key requirement for a good tubeless experience is tubeless-ready rims. A good tyre-rim combination can be inflated with a simple pump. A poor combination results in much cursing and the need for a pressure tank. While tubeless tyres handle small punctures well, the ability to prevent a flat caused by a bigger cut is less certain and depends on the cut size and sealant. I've had one ride-stopping cut in ~20k miles which was caused by a flint shard. Attempts to plug the hole were unsuccessful so tyre boot and inner tube were needed.
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General Technical / Re: Belt drive article from Thorn Blog
« Last post by WorldTourer on Today at 01:17:41 AM »
For all the recommendations that the Chainglider gets here from a member or two, Thorn/SJS did try to dissuade me from buying one from their own shop a few years ago, calling it a “poor piece of gear” that had disappointed them in their own testing of it.

It’s also worth pointing out that some of the most popular long-haul bicycle-travel routes today involve water crossings. A chain is going to get dunked several times in just one single day on the Baja Divide, for example. A Chainglider is downright counterproductive then, it would trap water inside.

I have now put over 20,000 km on my belt drive and I am very satisfied. I think it is worth it in time savings alone, as it does not have to be cleaned or lubricated. No more expensive trousers being stained with oil, too. I have never even had the noise that some report, except for when I rode one wadi in Oman where the dust must have been of a peculiar composition, and then merely pouring some water over the belt was enough to make it quiet again.
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General Technical / Re: Belt drive article from Thorn Blog
« Last post by PH on February 15, 2026, 11:20:00 PM »
Thanks for the link, I enjoyed reading that, but not as much as I enjoyed contrasting it with the piece on belts in Andy Blance's living with a Rohloff booklet, also available to download from the Thorn website.  On the same page he also explains why you're likely to get 20,000km + from an uncovered KMC X1 chain with minimal maintenance.  That's been my experience and is more than some of the Chainglider evangelists report.
When I first came across Thorn Bikes, in the late 90's, they stood out as having several opinions not shared by the rest of the cycle industry - Wheel size, disc brakes, kick stands, straight bars and later on belt drive...  I appreciate they're in the business of selling bikes, very nice bikes too, but they no longer stand out as being as different as they once were.
I'm curious to try a belt drive, just not curious enough to spend the money, for it to be to be economically justifiable it'd have to last me more miles than anyone is reporting they do.
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General Technical / Re: Belt drive article from Thorn Blog
« Last post by martinf on February 15, 2026, 10:07:16 PM »
My opinion is that anyone who's still running a bare chain on a hub gearbox might as well go back to the days of constant running replacement expense and maintenance work and filthy derailleur.

My own opinion, based on my (at first sceptical) test of a ChainGlider is that :

- A hub gear system with ChainGlider keeps the transmission much cleaner and requires significantly less maintenance than a hub gear system with a bare chain.

- A hub gear system with a bare chain requires significantly less maintenance than a derailleur system. And when it does need maintenance, it is much easier to clean 1 chainring and 1 sprocket than multiple chainrings/sprockets and the rear derailleur (front doesn't need much cleaning).

On condition, of course, that the hub gear is reliable. I have had one or two unreliable hub gears, notably the first version of the Sturmey-Archer Sprinter 5-speed, which was a real pain.
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Thorn General / Re: larger tyre up front on Mercury Mk3
« Last post by PH on February 15, 2026, 09:47:02 PM »
I'm assuming from those numbers that it's 650B?  I think it would need to be pretty extreme before you noticed any benefit going over 54mm, that's already a lot of air, more than in the Sherpa. My Nomad on 650B 50mm tyres offers a very plush ride over just about anything I'd tackle. I'd be concentrating on the right tyre for the tour, rather than the width.  I know nothing of tubeless, I am curious to try, but for me it'd mean changing rims which I'm in no hurry to do.
Have a great trip.
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Thorn General / larger tyre up front on Mercury Mk3
« Last post by strictnaturist on February 15, 2026, 08:59:38 PM »
Hi folks
I'm heading over to Canada (from Scotland) this summer, to ride south for around 1000miles to Jackson, Wyoming on the Great Divide route with my son. Camping all the way. I'll be on my 6 year old  Mercury Mk3. My son on my old Sherpa.
A few adjustments to my Mercury for the ride will be dropping the gears from a 43 x 19 set up, to 39 x 19 and switching from slick 2.00 tyres to the largest gravel tyre I can fit. Guidance for largest tyres on the Mercury are 54 mm. The front fork looks like it has clearance for a larger tyre.
Can I ask? If it fits, Is it worth having a larger tyre up front? The route is predominantly tracks/ off road.
As an over 60, I have only ever used inner tubes. Is it worth switching to tubeless at this late stage? Or stick to what I know?
Any recommendations for tyres?
Thanks, as ever, for your comments and all round knowledge.
Eddie


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General Technical / Re: Belt drive article from Thorn Blog
« Last post by Andre Jute on February 15, 2026, 07:03:37 PM »
In the article by Thorn I was surprised that they say that belts are more efficient than chains????

Maybe on aggregate if you're talking about a bare, dirty chain being ground into dust against a belt. My opinion is that anyone who's still running a bare chain on a hub gearbox might as well go back to the days of constant running replacement expense and maintenance work and filthy derailleur. I'm not impressed with test numbers taken on spotlessly clean components in a humidity- and dust-controlled laboratory.

In any event, for many of us who've given the connection between cleanliness and component longevity some thought, the real world is a Rohloff hub gearbox without derailleurs and jockey wheels (definitely the devil's invention), with the chain covered by a Chainglider. In this particular case, the chain is always run in near-optimal conditions and likely to leave an open belt for dead as the belt cannot be effectively covered, and its efficiency degrades as it gets dirtier. The Chainglider is the nearest thing possible to the mythical 'oil bath' of which gear heads' dreams are made.

A good quality Chainglider-covered chain basically operates on peak efficiency throughout its lifespan. That applies even if the chain inside the Chainglider receives zero maintenance. I've proven that by running my chains for their entire service life on the factory lube. (KMC has an especially effective and long-lasting factory lube. That is one reason I recommend their X8 chains so warmly.) That simple procedure, and the modest cost of about 50-60 Euro including delivery for a Chainglider increased my mileage per chain by a 160 percent.

Currently in Sri Lanka where my chain feels fine in it’s chainglider after 500 miles of gritty roads, I keep thinking I should oil it….

Jobst Brandt, an engineer who worked for Porsche, who don't hire idiots, where he designed the Grand Prix brakes, was an enthusiastic cyclist who condensed the engineering of the bicycle wheel into his book, The Bicycle Wheel, and devised the first bike computer, and brought slick tyres and many other revolutionary components to bicycles. I drove Porsche from the 356 series forward, so I was inclined to believe his obiter dicta, one of which was, 'The chief ingredients of grinding paste are dust and oil.' It's why I don't put any additional (to the factory lube) oil or grease on my bike's chain inside the Chainglider.
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General Technical / Re: Belt drive article from Thorn Blog
« Last post by mickeg on February 15, 2026, 05:45:12 PM »
The guy that put together this video has done a LOT of videos on bike touring and related equipment.  I trust his opinions highly.  And for touring, he likes belt drive.  He also mentions some efficiency stats.  This video is a few years old. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhXTl7gApVA

He often runs his belt looser than the manufacturer recommendation.

Regarding chain drive efficiency on Rohloff bikes, I think that the Thorn bikes with an eccentric bottom bracket are more efficient than the bikes that use a spring loaded chain tightener with a jockey wheel.  And of course once you start talking about chain efficiency, then different lubes become a factor.

He is sponsored by Koga, but he does not specifically push them, unless you watch the review of his bike.
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General Technical / Re: Belt drive article from Thorn Blog
« Last post by Andyb1 on February 15, 2026, 02:30:29 PM »
It is slightly ironic that Thorn do not make their bikes more compatible for chaingliders.   Certainly they were not enthusiastic about them when I bought one for my Raven……the problem being that the seat stays can touch the rear part of the chainglider and push it into the hub.  I started a thread here about fitting a Chainglider recently in the Rohloff section.

It may be that their later frames designed for a belt which is wider than a chain are more compatible with a chainglider?

In the article by Thorn I was surprised that they say that belts are more efficient than chains????

Currently in Sri Lanka where my chain feels fine in it’s chainglider after 500 miles of gritty roads, I keep thinking I should oil it….
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