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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Touring abroad with an electric assisted bike
« Last post by Andre Jute on Today at 04:29:09 AM »
Back when I was a student, I bought a ticket for 99 dollars** on the Greyhound company's buses, which for six months would let me travel over any of their routes twice, once in each direction. This worked out well. I slept on the bus. I had no luggage, just my toothbrush and my elephant-skin money-belt, and every second or third day would buy new clothes from the surplus stores in the vicinity of the bus stations, and change in the store.

I really enjoyed that tour. It wasn't difficult to plan either. I didn't even have a map or a Greyhound schedule (impossible to carry anyway, it'd be a book several feet thick in the days before the internet on every phone). I'd just take the first bus that was going either roughly west or, on the way back, roughly east, and that way zigzagged my way across the States and saw a lot more than if I'd driven myself from city to city along the interstates. I'd ask people on the bus where it was going and what there was to see when it arrived. I was often invited to their homes. (Later, when I was in advertising, this experience made me the leading authority on how Americans could be expected to react to new products. Virtually all of my college chums and colleagues had never even met Mr and Mrs Middle-America. I'd stand before a massive computer printer folding out sheets of expensive statistical consumer research and announce in tones of ringing certainty what the numbers would tell us and, to the despair of the white-coated techies, I was never wrong. That 99 dollar bus ride was the cheapest and most enlightening classroom I was ever in.)

You could ask if the Greyhound still has that compendium ticket, and take a folding bike in a bag with you for local exploration.

The same mode of travel might apply in other places, though perhaps not as cheaply as in the States. Rail travel in Britain and Europe is vastly overpriced, but you could look into across-border validity of bus passes for those over 70. Here in Ireland they also include free rail travel, and there's a definite permission to use the same Irish bus/rail pass on the British transport in Northern Ireland -- I know someone who used it when he travelled to Northern Ireland where he had his cataracts removed. So it probably works in reverse too. The pass itself in Ireland is automatic, a code on a biometric ID card that the government was once keen on. (One of my late chums, who owned city real estate by the block, was outraged when he turned 70 and a replacement card arrived with a letter pointing out he could ride buses and trains free.)
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Touring abroad with an electric assisted bike
« Last post by Andyb1 on August 25, 2026, 08:44:46 PM »
As mickeg said, lots of money…..all at +10kUS$!




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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Touring abroad with an electric assisted bike
« Last post by mickeg on August 25, 2026, 06:17:04 PM »
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It isn't the way I intend to go myself, but it is possible to have a lightweight electric bike. ...

If you have more money than you know what to do with, buy a titanium e-bike.
https://www.zinn.bike/bikes/zinn-custom-bicycles/e-bikes/

The titanium might only cut the weight by a couple pounds compared to steel, but nobody would ever build a titanium bike unless they used a lot of other light weight components so that it actually is a lightweight bike.
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Touring abroad with an electric assisted bike
« Last post by martinf on August 25, 2026, 12:32:59 PM »
Im planning to train,bus,cycle travel around northern Portugal and Spain.

Train, bus and cycle. That is something I would do with a Brompton folder. A Brompton isn't as comfortable as a large-wheel bike, but it saves a lot of hassle on public transport. I put mine in an opaque bag and treat it as any other luggage. That way I can use it combined with high-speed trains that don't have bike provision, coaches that refuse ordinary bikes, and even urban buses.

A Brompton can be electrified. But, for my own use, I prefer reducing the weight as much as possible so that the folded bike is easy to carry (on and off buses, up stairs in hotels). When I can no longer do long bike trips starting from home I plan to use buses and coaches more than I do now and cycle shorter distances, so a lightweight folder should make sense for me. My lightweight Brompton (equivalent P-Line) currently weighs a tad over 10 kg, with a few (rather expensive) modifications I reckon I can get the weight down to about 8.5 kg. Adding an electric kit would add about 3.5 kg, so that could be a possibility for train-assisted tours if I ever change my mind.

I have, however, started a project to build up an electric bike using a bolt-on kit on an old ladies-style mountain bike. Ladies style in case I have problems getting my leg over a diamond frame, old steel frame for strength and durability. To start with, I plan on using it for towing heavy loads with my trailer, later on I will probably need to use it for other things. But only for trips I can do from home without using trains, because the problem with an electric bike is that a motor and battery suitable for towing a heavily laden trailer will add at least 5 kg. On a sturdy utility bike that means at least 22 kg even before counting luggage. I reckon that will be too much to manhandle onto a train when I am older and weaker.

It isn't the way I intend to go myself, but it is possible to have a lightweight electric bike. The British Cytronex company does kits to convert almost any bike to electric assist. These kits are only front-wheel drive and are relatively lightweight. They even say their battery can go on airline flights, but that would need confirmation, regulations sometimes change and would probably vary between airlines.
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Touring abroad with an electric assisted bike
« Last post by in4 on August 25, 2026, 08:45:22 AM »
Suggestion:
Ferry to Santander. Few rail options from there for both Spain & Portugal. ChatGPT is quite useful. Citing Valença (Valença do Minho), & Santander → Oviedo/Gijón → Vigo → Valença (Portugal)

However, Vigo is actually the useful interchange. From Vigo you can take the international train to Valença, which takes about 45–50 minutes.

FWIW I’ve used The Algarve Line and found it great for bicycle touring; separate carriage for bikes although you need to get it on board yourself, which might be an issue with a heavy ebike.
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Touring abroad with an electric assisted bike
« Last post by tyreon on August 25, 2026, 07:28:33 AM »
I like all the answers given as all make sense.

I've found no easy answer to my question(s)which is why I asked here.

Ive always been fond of walking and cycling tours,but age and fitness and health brings difficulties.

I like to see others cycling or walking on routes. If-before I get a new knee(s) - Im planning to train,bus,cycle travel around northern Portugal and Spain. Sound easy? Well,not so easy when you do the mathematics to make a sensible plan. Buying a ready made tour seems troublesome to me: investigting costs,touring companies,places seems more tiring than just riding a bike ;). I know others can do it. Im justa peculiar guy :)
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Touring abroad with an electric assisted bike
« Last post by mickeg on August 24, 2026, 11:10:47 PM »
My bike tours, I predominantly am camping in tent sites in campgrounds that lack electrical hookups.  Where are you going to charge the battery every day?

You might be happiest with a guided tour group that provides bikes.  Thus they would have the logistics all taken care of.

Flying with an e bike, even if you do not have a battery for it, some of those bikes are pretty heavy.
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Touring abroad with an electric assisted bike
« Last post by Andyb1 on August 24, 2026, 09:41:53 PM »
It is not ebikes that airlines don’t like - it is the battery.   One option is to fly your bike out with you without a battery and then buy / hire one at your destination.

Bike hire ……personally best avoided IMHO….unless you are hiring from someone you know
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Izabella Murtagh Audax
« Last post by in4 on August 24, 2026, 06:01:08 PM »
Thanks Dan, appreciated. Izabella has just completed an impressive Audax in Italy.
Having just done two day rides of 100km & 78 km I'm now selling my Nomad and taking up golf!  ;D
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Non-Thorn Related / Touring abroad with an electric assisted bike
« Last post by tyreon on August 24, 2026, 12:59:23 PM »
I never thought Id get here but here I am exhausted and limited

I moved across from touring abroad on a full frame,to touring with a folding frame bike. Now I find even this too much. Im wondering is anyone here is touring abroad on an electric assist bike,and howsitdone given that flight carriers refuse(?)to accept battery powered bikes on planes.

Do those who require electrical assist bikes now just hire them abroad when wanting to bicycle?

On a related issue: I was in Adelaide and went to hire two bicycles. When I visited where I went to hire  two bikes,the bikes were....crates...bangers,more like those you would find abandoned at a tip. Their hire worked out more expensive than hiring a car that carried four from a local rental car hire firm.

I wonder if others have different experinece or maybe advice
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