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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by mickeg on April 30, 2026, 05:11:30 PM »
If I go to Loch Ness, the better road for cycling is on the south side, that has few actual campgrounds.  So, I was planning on camping there if I go down that road. 
Be forewarned that there's a bit of a climb near the south end of Loch Ness on the southern route option. Around 10%, perhaps more, for about a mile then more, but easier climbing, for several more miles. I find it's useful to look at the ground levels on Google Earth. I import gpx files into Google Earth and look at the profiles. I think GE uses more detailed terrain models than most alternatives.

Thanks.  At 10 percent, I would likely walk the bike up it.  Been there, done that.

I have two different options, one would go along that route, the other option skips Loch Ness and instead goes through Torridon.  It depends on how much time I have available to get to Inverness, as that is in the late part of my trip, thus I will be planning how to make sure I get to my end point on time for my flight. 
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by JohnR on April 30, 2026, 12:12:44 PM »
If I go to Loch Ness, the better road for cycling is on the south side, that has few actual campgrounds.  So, I was planning on camping there if I go down that road. 
Be forewarned that there's a bit of a climb near the south end of Loch Ness on the southern route option. Around 10%, perhaps more, for about a mile then more, but easier climbing, for several more miles. I find it's useful to look at the ground levels on Google Earth. I import gpx files into Google Earth and look at the profiles. I think GE uses more detailed terrain models than most alternatives.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by mickeg on April 29, 2026, 10:34:08 PM »
I do not have any firm plans to wild camp anywhere, it is just a contingency.  And I will have three liters of capacity on my bike.  First attached photo.

My bike tour two years ago, I sort of wild camped, but not that wild and only once.  After a couple campgrounds on the map that were no longer there, and two motels that had closed, I pulled into a campground after 9pm, well after dark, the office was closed.  The sign said reservations must be made first and I of course did not have a reservation.  Set up my tent in a storage area, slept, woke up and started riding before it got light out.  Did not even look for water and did not even make coffee first.  If I have to, I can do that again.

I am really not too concerned about water. 

I have one campsite on my map that only existed on Google Maps.  If I go to Loch Ness, the better road for cycling is on the south side, that has few actual campgrounds.  So, I was planning on camping there if I go down that road.  Google maps listed a campsite.  Street view showed a path, and nothing else at the road.  On google maps I could click and pull up a photo of the shore.  So, I suspect this is a common wild camping spot.
www.google.com/maps/search/campsites/@57.3470003,-4.3800134,14.88z/

Second attached is a screen print from my computer showing the path when I had street view enabled in Google Maps.  I do not see any shortage of water at the loch.  Google told me that Loch Ness is fresh water, water surface well above sea level.

I have bladders I can use, but I am not going to bother bringing them.  I use them for backpacking with my filter gravity system.  Typically when backpacking, when I make camp, I fill up a 2 liter bladder (dirty one) and start filtering into my second (clean) bladder.  While gravity does the filtering for me, I set up my tent.  Then I refill my water bottles from the filtered water bladder.  Fill the unfiltered bladder again, that is my water supply for water that will be boiled, not filtered while I am at that site.  When I pack up in the morning, I usually discard about one liter when I pack.

Two years ago, I did a backpacking segment where I needed eight days of food.  Third photo.  Bad lighting, sorry, the sun was shining through tree leaves and the food was on a picnic table in a campground.  I had just finished six days of backpacking and was resupplying for eight more days.  Point being, I have carried a lot of food before, but I have pretty much mapped out a plan for where to buy food on this trip.

But bike touring, I carry heavier stuff, like canned soups, etc.  Not all dehydrated stuff like in the photo of my backpacking food.

Fourth photo, I think I had not been to a grocery store for five days at the time of the photo, I still had a couple more weeks of food on the bike.  That was on Iceland. 

But I do not need to do that on this trip.  I marked on my map a couple of grocery stores with reminder to myself that when I leave those stores, I need to have five days of food, that includes contingency for a windy day.

I have five more weeks to finish my planning and packing, I am well ahead of schedule. 

Nobody mentioned needing an ETA.  I got that done weeks ago.
https://www.gov.uk/eta

I will be bringing some food from home, but I reviewed the criteria on what I can't bring into the UK, so it will all be legal, no meat or dairy, etc.

I think all I need to worry about now is jet fuel shortage in mid July for my flight home.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by martinf on April 29, 2026, 05:21:07 PM »
You will be able to pick up enough water along the way for a night’s wild camping, assuming you have containers for a few litres.  Just ask at a house or a garage or shop - or as Matt has said, a church / graveyard will have a tap for the flowers - all water supplies are drinkable.  Scotland is not as sparsely populated as Iceland.

In my experience, Andy's advice is good for cycling in England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, plus most places in France (where I now live), Spain and Portugal.

I carry a 4 litre Ortleib roll-up water bag (empty weight about 130 g) when I reckon I might need to wild camp and make sure I fill it and my three water bottles (total 4 litres) from a water tap (house, garage, etc) before I start looking for a site. I used to carry chemical tablets to sterilise water, but only used them once, in 1977 when I arrived late in the evening on the ferry from Ireland to Wales and wild camped at the first grassy place I found and used water from a stream. Nowadays I would book a hotel or hostel close to the ferry terminal to avoid riding at night.

It isn't the same if hiking in mountains. One of my brothers was careless when hiking in the Spanish Pyrenees and caught a parasitic disease caused by Giardia. He had to be repatriated to England by air ambulance. My other brother hiked the Pyrenees trail from the Atlantic to the Mediterranean, I think it was in the 1980's. He had to carry several days worth of food as only a few of the villages still had food shops. It is worse now as the locals go to the supermarkets in the nearest town. But it was easier to find safe drinking water in the small villages, isolated houses or refuges near the trail and he used chemical tablets when he wasn't sure.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by mickeg on April 28, 2026, 09:59:17 PM »
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BTW, just had £750 back from my insurers to cover (most of) my costs due to cancelled flights returning from Sri Lanka last month.  Hence my suggestion upthread of having abandonment in your travel insurance.

Great, that sounds like you at least got some of your expenses back, but I suspect not all.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by Andyb1 on April 28, 2026, 10:26:44 AM »
This may surprise some, but the UK public water system provides drinkable water throughout the British Isles.
Things are perhaps different in America?

So, even when you are wild camping you can find a convenient water tap?  That is wonderful.

You will be able to pick up enough water along the way for a night’s wild camping, assuming you have containers for a few litres.  Just ask at a house or a garage or shop - or as Matt has said, a church / graveyard will have a tap for the flowers - all water supplies are drinkable.  Scotland is not as sparsely populated as Iceland.

Just trying to help you minimise your gear.

BTW, just had £750 back from my insurers to cover (most of) my costs due to cancelled flights returning from Sri Lanka last month.  Hence my suggestion upthread of having abandonment in your travel insurance.
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The retailers of camping gear that I mostly have bought stuff from have generally suggested you do it yourself with a good soap intended for the purpose.  I have probably washed a down sleeping bag at least a dozen times, I own several.  I always used a top loading machine, which is not recommended, because that is what I had access to.  The only time it did not work well was with my winter sleeping bag that was rated at minus 40 degrees.  There is a lot of down in that bag and the down dried out so slowly that the down started to smell a bit in the late stages of air drying it. 

My oldest down bag is 54 years old, I remember when I got it.  I do not recall how many times I washed that bag.  But it was my only sleeping bag during my late teens and early 20s when I was doing a lot of camping.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Part Two, Tentative London northbound and Scotland Bike Tour.
« Last post by mickeg on April 28, 2026, 09:25:57 AM »
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I took my Steripen on my 2 month tour along the Pamir Highway through Tajikistan and Kyrgystan, 10 years ago.
I think I used it once.
It was on  my, 'not to take again' list when i returned home.

Re taps when wild camping? Yes, we don't have many/any in forests here. However most graveyards have a free water supply/tap. I've often used them to top up a water bottle. No body/one objected.

UV treatment for drinking water is best done on the smallest microbes.  The theory is that it might not kill the microbes, but it makes the unable to reproduce.  The larger microbes, UV is less effective.  On the other hand, filters are most effective on the larger microbes, but often are incapable of filtering out the smallest ones.

For example, two summers ago I backpacked for a week on Isle Royale, that is the largest island on Lake Superior, the largest of the Great Lakes along the USA and Canada border.  The entire island is a national park.  There are thousands of moose on that island and they carry a parasite that you really do not want to get, thus you need to filter or boil the water.  The National Park Service specifically does not recommend chemical or UV water treatment.

But if you are in a less developed country where there may be poor water treatment for human wastes or domestic animal wastes, you could have viruses in the water and those are much less likely to be reliably filtered out due to the small size if you only filtered the water.  If I was going to go to a country like that, I would be more inclined to use chemical and/or UV water treatment due to the possible presence of viruses, even if the water was from a community water supply.

But generally you do not need to worry about viruses in places where you have minimal human population without domestic animals.  There, filtering by itself is usually adequate.  Thus, my canoe trips or backpacking trips in the wilderness, I use either filtering or boiling, but not bother with chemical or UV treatment.
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This may surprise some, but the UK public water system provides drinkable water throughout the British Isles.
Things are perhaps different in America?

So, even when you are wild camping you can find a convenient water tap?  That is wonderful.

I took my Steripen on my 2 month tour along the Pamir Highway through Tajikistan and Kyrgystan, 10 years ago.
I think I used it once.
It was on  my, 'not to take again' list when i returned home.

Re taps when wild camping? Yes, we don't have many/any in forests here. However most graveyards have a free water supply/tap. I've often used them to top up a water bottle. No body/one objected.
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Hey All!

I came across this service today...

https://eclean.green/collections/top-products/products/down-sleeping-bag-cleaning?variant=46105236242629

It uses a "cold CO2" cleaning process. I've not used it and this is not intended as an endorsement or sponsorship...just thought it interesting in light of recent queries about how best to clean a down bag...
https://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=15692.0

I (unfortunately and only once) engaged the services of what is regarded by many as the "best" down bag cleaning service in the States several years ago and things could not have gone more wrong. The bag's outer shell looked new when I sent it in and apparently it went through many wash cycles (forgotten in the rotating drum?) and was badly abraded when I received it..."flat as a Pannenkoeken" (Dutch pancake thin as a crépe, never re-lofted). As a bonus, they lost the stuff sack they directed me to send it in and no apology or adjustment!

This new method is food for thought.

Best, Dan.
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