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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by Andyb1 on Today at 12:45:48 PM »
My limited experience of UK railways is that they are a bit more flexible than airlines!  I would book train tickets away from rush hours…….perhaps in the week, in the middle of the day, and not at weekends when there may be sporting events  …..so that the train is not overfull.  I would then expect you could get extra baggage on.

I was very happy with GWR who honoured my 2 week out of date ticket from LHR to Taunton recently after the Iran War delayed me in Sri Lanka.

I don’t know the arrangements London to Edinburgh but a lot of trains now have bike storage areas at the ends of the coaches that you sit in so you load the bike in there yourself and can see it.  Longer distance trains may still use the guards van?
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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by mickeg on Today at 11:42:05 AM »
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Hope that gives you something to think about!  Happy to elaborate on any part of it, not upset if someone else has a contradictory opinion on any of it.

Thanks, I will check those out.  I have spent the last three days planning, going to take a break for a day or two.  And, I can change the planned route any time during the next two months, so that is not time critical.

Right now my quandary is the train luggage allotment is one large, one medium and one small bag.  I am trying to figure out the best way to change four panniers, a 31 liter Ortlieb Rack Pack and a handlebar bag into something that fits that criteria.  No luggage allowed on bike.

I did that a year and a half ago, first photo attached, but the red mesh duffle on the floor with the four Ortlieb panniers in it is (1) difficult to carry from a shoulder strap if I am also carrying the other bags and rolling the bike with the other hand in a train station.  That photo was taken inside an Amtrak station (USA passenger train system) but Amtrak allows checked luggage, on this trip I checked the red duffle, so I did not have to handle everything all at once.

I have a giant backpack that would easily hold all of the pannier contents and the empty panniers if I unpack the panniers to load the backpack, the orange backpack in the second photo.  I could easily wear a backpack, carry the Ortlieb RackPack (the yellow duffle on the bench in the photo) with one hand and roll the bike with the other hand.  But, I hate to carry that orange backpack on the bike for over a month, it has no frame but it still does not pack down as small as I would like.  That orange backpack and the black bag in that second photo would be my checked luggage on the flights, the black bag is the S&S Backpack case that would have almost all of the Nomad in it.  The black case gets stored at the hostel, I would like to store the orange bag there too but I might need it for the train.

For now, carrying the empty orange bag on the bike during the trip is the current plan while I look for a better plan.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by Andyb1 on Today at 08:55:10 AM »
Good advice PH.
Would just add:

- Scottish Ferrys seem to be the news at the moment due to cancellations.  Hopefully resolved by the time you are here, but worth considering options if you plan to use them.
- Nessie photographs best from his right hand side…….

 
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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by PH on Today at 12:40:41 AM »
All in my opinion:
My favorite route planner for the UK is cycletravel, it picks out the sort of quiet roads and trails I like:
https://cycle.travel/

The National Cycle Network (NCN) is a mix of on and off road paths and trails, it generally avoids anything too extreme.  It isn't perfect and can sometimes meander unnecessarily, but it often makes a good basis. If you don't mind the hills, The Pennine Cycleway (NCN 68) will take you from Derby in the midlands to Berwick on the Scottish border:
https://cycle.travel/route/pennine_cycleway

The Southern part of the Coast and Castles route (NCN 1) overlaps with the Pennine Cycleway from Newcastle then continues up to Edinburgh. 
London to Derby has loads of options, depending on your interests, but to be honest if I had limited time in the UK, I might find better ways to spend it.
If you don't do the Pennine Cycleway, your choice is East or West of the Pennines, you don't want to be crossing them too often.  East is flatter and drier, West is a good bit more urban, but you do get the option of going through the Lake District.
Andy Corless's E2E Audax route that you've linked to, pretty much takes the shortest practical cycle route, it's well thought out for that purpose, but for a tour, there are better options. The A9 North on Inverness is used by a lot of E2E riders, I don't think it's a nice ride.
Once North on Inverness, there's not much to see, that can be nice in a way, but the landscape doesn't change much.  I understand the appeal of ticking off the most Northerly point, but the most Westerly, Ardnamurchan, could be a much more interesting ride - You could also come back from there via two ferries, the isle of Mull, and one of the UK's most dramatic train rides.

Hope that gives you something to think about!  Happy to elaborate on any part of it, not upset if someone else has a contradictory opinion on any of it.


 
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Cycle Tours / Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by mickeg on March 30, 2026, 09:57:12 PM »
I am planning my next bike tour.  I have never been to the UK before, so I thought I would mention it here, where many if not most forum users are in the UK.

Just a bit of background, I started planning a LEJOG trip in 2019.  Then Covid happened.  Later, got back to the planning on that and decided that was too much of a trip, dropped that plan.  Thus, twice I started planning a UK trip, both times did not follow though.  Maybe this time will be different.

Tentative plan:

Fly to Edinburgh.  Why am I flying to Edinburgh?  Delta flys there.  They also fly to London.  But I would rather avoid flying in and out of such a busy airport in such a huge metro area, so do not want to fly to London.  And the photos I see of Edinburgh makes that look like a very interesting place.

Stay in a hostel in Edinburgh for probably two nights while I reassemble my bike, look at maps, talk to people, buy butane canisters, buy some food, do a bit of sightseeing, etc. 

Then take a train to London.  Looks like there are two train options, Avanti or LNER, both of which have the same luggage criteria.  I have no clue which train to take.  Stay in a London hostel, probably about three nights.  Play tourist.  Avoid the extreme tourism spots, but check out museums, etc. 

Then start riding my bike north, aim for Edinburgh.  Once I leave London, I would have no reservations, until a few days before my flight home.  So I can travel at whatever pace I want to, can camp on nice days and look for a hostel when I want to get out of the rain.

Over the weekend I was looking at maps, putting hostels and campsites into my GPS, etc.  I also looked at Ride With GPS, looked to see if anyone had planned out a ride like that before.  Someone had mapped out a route that looked like it was on quiet trails and back roads, about 15 percent unpaved.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/49188937

I have not yet looked to see what Komoot says about London to Edinburgh, so I am not yet sure if that RideWithGPS route is the right one for me.  But tentatively, I like the looks of that route.

Plan is to mostly camp in campgrounds, occasionally hostels if I want to get out of the rain.

When I get to Edinburgh, relax a day or two at the hostel, then keep going north towards John-O-Groats.  Then turn around and back to Edinburgh.  The part of the track on this ride that is north of Edinburgh is probably what I would do.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/43518622

But I still plan to compare that to what Komoot might suggest.

Or if I am going too slow and can't make the distance I planned, turn back early to make sure I make my flight home on time. 

Or, if I get lazy, cut the trip shorter and see how many photos I can get of Nessie.

And fly home after about six weeks.  But first do a bit more sightseeing in Edinburgh while I am packing up my bike, etc.  The hostel there will store my S&S backpack case.

I am looking at a trip that would start in about two months, I have made no reservations yet.  So far I have about $35 USD invested in a map and renewal of my Hi Hostel membership.  But if I do this, I will probably start making reservations in a week.

The Nomad Mk II is a heavier duty bike than I need for a trip like that, but having an S&S coupled bike so I can avoid oversize luggage makes that the right bike for this trip.  I was thinking 40mm tires, until I realized that about 15 percent of that route out of London is unpaved, so would probably use 50 or 57mm wide tires on the Nomad if I take that route. 

Thoughts anyone?

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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Clothing suitable for cycling with a high UPF factor
« Last post by mickeg on March 30, 2026, 07:19:57 PM »
Off topic, but related:

If your skin gets very little sunlight, you may have a Vitamin D deficiency.

I take Vit D pills in the winter, Jan thru mid Apr or so.  Otherwise I am sure I get plenty of Vit D.

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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Clothing suitable for cycling with a high UPF factor
« Last post by John Saxby on March 30, 2026, 06:39:10 PM »
Thanks, Ian.  Glad my notes were helpful, and good to know you've found a sun-protector at Decathlon.

My GE Anti-Cyclone rainjacket has a hood folded into the raised collar, accessible by zipper.  It's a snug fit, intended to fit under a helmet.  I don't use it, though -- I have a longish tubular & slightly elasticized muff, which goes under my helmet & which I fold over 3"+ for my forehead & ears; & I carry a separate raincover for my helmet.

A 'Strayan history is first-rate experience for dealing with Mr Sun.  Have to say that I've found the sun in Gold Coast (where our son & his family live) to be stronger than anything I recall from spending 15+ years across four-plus decades in Central/Southern Africa. A consequence of the shrinking-but-not-finished hole in the ozone layer?  Or maybe simply because we were almost always on the highveldt oin Sn Africa.

Cheers,  John
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Non-Thorn Related / Re: Clothing suitable for cycling with a high UPF factor
« Last post by in4 on March 30, 2026, 06:08:26 PM »
Thats a great contribution John, thanks so much for sharing.

This is one of those topics that 'gets legs' i.e. the more I look into it well, the more I look into it. Its quite interesting to explore the claims made by garment makers re the UPF factor ( and the ubiquitous 'waterproof claims). I'm learning to decipher what the claims exactly are. EG Some claim a high UPF factor protection of 40+, others claim up to 50. Some claims are dependent upon the fabric's contact with water and also if the garment has been stored/kept in a stuff-sack or on a hanger.
Personally I tend to ride 'covered up' ( an Australian legacy move ) and my particular interest is in a sun hoodie type garment that has a hood, and is hopefully a little contoured so as the drag factor ( LOL ) doesnt get too much!
I've discovered Decathlon have one so here we go! 

Costa Rica sounds fabulous.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Happy ending
« Last post by pandanroll on March 30, 2026, 10:18:44 AM »
Thank you for the reply. Wishing you many happy KMs on your Thorns.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Happy ending
« Last post by Webswonder on March 30, 2026, 09:40:42 AM »
Hi Pandanroll,

Thanks for your interest. I've decided to keep the Mercury. My plan was to have one pedelec bike and one "pure" Thorn, which is what I now have. Despite the rear cable disk brake, which I can never get to work as well as I'd like, The Mercury is a gorgeous beast.

Regards,

Jeremy
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