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So when should chains on Rohloff geared bikes be replaced?  So that sprockets are useable with a new chain without being flipped.

Andre says he changes his at 0.5%.
Others say 1%.
I am aiming to change my chains at 1% but that is simply based on what I have read.

Greater elongation must result in more sprocket wear.
I wonder what Chris’s chain elongation is at 22,000km?
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In theory, with a single-speed bike, like the majority of modern hub gear bikes and virtually all Rohloff-equipped bikes, you can run a transmission set of the chainring, sprocket and chain into the ground until the first of them breaks, then replace them all at once. The benefit of this method is supposed to be that the components will all have worn together and thus fit together optimally for their state of wear until the end, the expectation being that this method would deliver the greatest possible mileage from the set and, as a bonus, avoid fitting a new chain to worn teeth, which will ensure that the new chain gets to only half the mileage of a chain fitted to new teeth or reversed gears.

"In theory" means I haven't tried it, among other reasons because the underlying assumption above is that all the components have roughly similar lifespans, which just isn't true on my bike, where the Surly stainless steel chainring will very likely have a service life in excess of a magnitude larger than the KMC X8 chains I use, and the Rohloff sprocket will have a lifespan at least 5x the chain life; in all of this the qualification is "in my zero maintenance paradigm, in which I run the chain for its entire life (to half-a-percent wear at which point, at about 4500km, I chuck it off at the Rohloff oil change) on the factory lube with nothing added, inside a Chainglider". Note also another assumption, that there is a whole link-and-a-bit chain adjustment length built into the bike, which isn't true of eccentric bottom bracket adjusters as fitted to Thorn bikes, or even on most bikes with track (slotted) frame ends at the rear of the bike, though Rohloff's own "slider" axle hangers (for which they'll give OEMs blueprints free of charge) have the "correct" length for all likely needs, including this one.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Raven Discovers Twin
« Last post by HugoC on Today at 02:56:22 PM »
A year or so ago there was a mark 3 M/M Raven Twin advertised on ebay, in the UK. The bike was bright orange in colour, had S&S couplings, Rohloff gearing, pannier racks and a rear disc brake. The asking price was £1500. Even though I have a Raven Twin, I was sorely tempted to buy it for spares at that price. It was up for sale for a few weeks before an eventual sale.
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The KMC E1 is reputed to be a good chain but not cheap.  It looks like it has done well.  Perhaps helped by your 45 / 19 ratio?
The chainwheel being alloy probably explains the wear - but if you can flip it then it will also do a good total mileage.
If you fit a new E1 and flip both chainwheel and sprocket then in another 22,000 km everything will be due for a change.
I'm on the same chain, similar ratios, get the same sort of distance, never less than 20,000 km, over 25k a couple of times, haven't pushed my luck to 30k yet. Always flip both together, then there's nothing to change mid cycle.
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You might consider measuring your chain later.  The cheap small chain checkers are not very accurate, but you can measure the length of an entire chain when it hangs from a hook.  One link is a half inch when new, thus 100 links is 50 inches from center of pin to center of pin.  If it is 50.5 inches, that is one percent elongation.  I think on a Rohloff bike replacing the chain when you are a bit over one percent elongation is a good time to replace it.
At 1% elongation how many chains would have been used by now?  Three at least, possibly four? What makes financial sense on a derailleur doesn't transfer to a single chainline.   Chris has saved the cost of three chains for the cost of 50% of a sprocket and chainring.
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I'm a masher fallen among butterflies spinning an unearthly cadence. Before I went to Rohloff, stainless steel chainrings and the Chainglider, I was lucky if I got a thousand miles on a chain. So you don't just need to convert Chris the OP's sterling achievement to miles, you further want to divide by 13.67. Though thanks for the thought.
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Would 13670.2 miles be any easier……😄
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The green glow around me isn't Spring bursting out in my study, it is envy of someone who gets 22,000km on a chain.
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As of right now -- 10.17am on 4 May -- this thread has been read 482 times. I too think that is the truest reflection of what value the members put on posters and their posts. But this is the first time in a long time, a couple of years or so, that the viewer count has caught my eye.

I agree with Paul. I don't expect 100% of readers to agree with me 100% of the time. 95% of readers 95% of the time will be just fine. (That's a troll, for those who don't instantly recognize it as such. In real life people who don't agree with one are a valuable knowledge resource.)

I don't like the 'karma' idea at all. It's too clever for its own good. And it will inevitably end up being transactional. Worse, it could end up partitioning the forum into little gangs of mutual support. The negative component in the implementation of 'karma' is invidious.

As an experiment, years ago I left the Facebook 'like' button on Indie Authors International, which with 45,000 members actually rarely sees it used because I don't let in the people who tend to turn it transactional, providers of services to writers and so on. But I've seen other fora where the like button is the cause of degeneration into mutual admiration bogs. The great advantage of the like button is that it positively excludes a negative element.

In short, I find the status quo on this group generally acceptable, in fact almost perfect.
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The KMC E1 is reputed to be a good chain but not cheap.

I use these for most of the hub gear bikes I maintain. With ChainGliders if possible. My take on this is that the higher price over a standard chain is compensated by longer chainring life (except for Rohloff the costs of rear sprockets are cheap enough to be ignored). Plus less time spent on chain maintenance.


With Rohloff / chainglider I am using cheap chains - Sram PC870.  £15 at Halfords.  It is what was fitted on the bike when new and I now use two PC870 chains which I swop around every 5000 miles……it will take me a few years to wear them both out as their projected life looks around 15,000 miles each……they may outlast me.


Without a chainglider I would definitely fit a better quality chain - like a KMC E1 EPT.  (AFAIK the EPT bit just means it has better rust protection). £30 at Halfords.
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