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Cycle Tours / Re: Hokkaido, Japan
« Last post by Andre Jute on Today at 12:26:58 AM »
There used to be a British watercolorist, name now escapes me, who used even in old age to go to Japan every year to paint and teach, who taught, and practised, this simple gem: Give the sky the upper two thirds or three quarters of the painting's height, and  viewers will be emotionally satisfied.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Rohloff Gravel bike recommendations?
« Last post by martinf on December 04, 2025, 09:15:18 PM »
If looking for a (relatively) inexpensive bike, maybe consider a used bike with Rohloff hub.

My gravel-bike equivalent is a Raven Sport Tour with drop bars and lightweight 42 mm tyres. I could also use my Raven Tour with drop bars and 50 mm tyres, a bit heavier but better on more challenging surfaces. One disadvantage of these two older models is that they are for 26" tyres, and good tyres in 26" are getting rarer nowadays. The more recent Thorn Raven is fairly close to the Raven Tour and still has 26" tyres.

In the Thorn range, the  modern equivalents to my two are the Mercury and Nomad, which have the advantage that they can use 700C or 27.5 (= 650B) tyres.

All these Thorn models turn up second-hand from time to time.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Rohloff Gravel bike recommendations?
« Last post by Danneaux on December 04, 2025, 08:42:22 PM »
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What is a gravel bike?
Andy asks a very good question here!

For my (somewhat cynical) money, much of the "push" for gravel bikes as a niche was initially for product differentiation and a way to sell more bikes, as with other increasingly thin slices of the pie to goose sales when the market goes a bit flat. Cynicism aside, a drop-bar road bike that has greater versatility to handle a wider variety of surfaces turns out to have a lot of appeal to many people and may come closer to being a "quiver-killer"/all-'rounder than other kinds of bikes currently on the market. I predict gravel bikes will become more specialized as have other niche-bikes. It won't be too long before we see more widespread use of front or front/rear suspension and then we'll have something akin to a full-sus 26in/650B MTB but with fat 700C tires and road/flared drop handlebars. Several makers have recently floated bikes with just that configuration, well received in recent cycling press.

All of my bikes (one from 1938, but mostly made 1970-2012) have been ridden on gravel, from back in late 1970s/early '80s America when tire sizing and marketing was driven by advertised weight. Some of the Specialized brand tires I rode at that time measured 1-2 (later) ETRTO sizes narrower than marked. Tires much arrower than labeled meant an automatic reduction in weight if you could believe the label and many did, thanks to marketing. I used them anyway, as there was a shortage of quality touring tires available in my area at a time when special-ordered Wolbers in true 27 x 1-1/4 could easily take 6-8 weeks' time to arrive in my locale.

A lot of my bikes are "old/er", made when more generous clearances were common, so really fit the more modern general ideal for gravel bikes: A road-bike frame with more relaxed road-bike geometry and larger 700C wheels shod with wider tires, typically starting at about 34mm and going upward (mine range from 32mm to 38mm and these have worked well for me on most gravel). If you find an older frame designed around 27in wheels, you can gain 4mm in tire/mudguard clearance by converting to 700C and longer-reach brakes.

A good question to also ask is "what kind of gravel?", for it ranges from what I regard as benign (finer than pea-gravel, tamped well into car tire-track ruts) to malign (fresh-pour in what we here call "three-quarter minus" to full-on ballast). For the latter, I prefer my bikes built with clearances to accommodate my 26x2.0 Schwalbe Duremes, as on my Nomad, tandem, and repurposed MTB née Enduro-Allroad (1987 Diamondback Transporter). While all my bikes "will" traverse gravel of one sort or another (including my 1970 Windsor Professional-based fixie on 25mm Continental road slicks), I am most "comfortable" doing so on those with wider tires. A fave for the more benign sort of gravel is my 41 year-old tourer, closest to Thorn's old Club Tour. It will happily accommodate 38mm tires with adequate, safe clearance for mudguards and run rackless and with short-reach/shallow-drop handlebars, gives a good impression of most modern steel-based gravel bikes. For the bad stuff, the lighter deraileur Transporter does as well as the Nomad for unladen or lighter loads when the advantages of a Rohloff drivetrain and/or expedition-grade carrying capacity is not essential.

I'll be a heretic here and suggest -- based on my own experience -- buying an older road bike with generous clearance for wider tires is a good way to test the waters before splashing out for an all-new bike. A lot of fun can be had at low cost while you learn and refine priorities and preferences on a budget now such bikes are going for peanuts at yard and boot sales. My 2012 Nomad is my latest bike, but might not have been had I not learned what I needed for a specific task -- extended, self-supported long-distance touring with expedition loads on the roughest of roads and tracks. It is also possible to retrofit an older bike with a Rohloff drivetrain, then swap components over if you later find a frame that better suits your needs.

Just some thoughts to ponder.

Best, Dan (...who always looks forward to members' "New Bike Day")
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Rohloff Gravel bike recommendations?
« Last post by Andyb1 on December 04, 2025, 07:23:10 PM »
What is a gravel bike?

IMHO Thorn were building gravel bikes before the term was in use.   Bikes like my 20 year old Raven Tour will happily ride on tracks and roads, carry gear if required, and have a Rohloff gear train.  They may not have drop handlebars as standard or disc brakes but do have front fork lugs (for front panniers but no doubt also OK for fork mounted bags etc).

So perhaps you need to decide exactly what you want, and then you could use a Raven or similar frame which is designed for Rohloff gears as a starting point?

 
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Cycle Tours / Re: Hokkaido, Japan
« Last post by RonS on December 04, 2025, 06:03:41 PM »
I love the juxtaposition of the first two photographs, of the somewhat ragged tarpaper doghouse accommodation with the sublime image of the lighthouse at Cape Nosappu against the sun's rays just rising on the horizon over open water.

Keep that up, and I may begin to fancy myself “a photographer”. :)

When it comes to cycling, Hokkaido has something for everybody, mountains, rugged coast, and the Tokachi plain, Hokkaido’s main crop growing region. I tried to get some of each on this trip. (Light on the mountains, though) Here are some photos from the southeast area of the island.

1  it wasn't all asphalt riding. I used mainly Komoot for route planning and it found a gravel road/path at least once a day, just to keep things interesting. Some of them turned out to be hike-a-bike ordeals, but that’s for another post.

2  I passed this slope stabilization project, and just wondered at the scale of it. If you enlarge the picture and look at the bottom third,  you will see the workers, and on the left side of the project is the staircase that they had to ascend. Who wants to count the steps?

3  They clearly get a lot of rain here, not to mention some of the heaviest snowfalls on earth. It's just so green.

4  Get off the runway! Don't worry it's just a dike, arrow straight for 10 km. Every kilometre was marked on the ground. I'm guessing for whatever maintenance observations they do from the air. These dikes were great riding as most of them were beautifully surfaced and had virtually no traffic. The only vehicles I saw appeared to be for maintenance, or farmers.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Rohloff Gravel bike recommendations?
« Last post by pandanroll on December 04, 2025, 01:04:46 PM »
As a courtesy to Thorn Cycles, who generously provide us with this forum, it is generally accepted that recommending bikes other than Thorn is something that's avoided.

Lots of us on the forum have non Thorn bikes, and we do mention them if it is relevant to the thread, usually when regarding the Rohloff, but we don't suggest they're "better".

The Mercury takes 650b X 48 tires. It would make a fine gravel bike.

SJS fund the forum, but they are not doing so out of charity -- maintaining a space for people who are fans of the brand also benefit them, through the generated user content.

Thorn bikes can stand for themselves without having to adhere to some form of 'code of honour'. In fact, doing so would probably be beneficial to them.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Rohloff Gravel bike recommendations?
« Last post by mickeg on December 04, 2025, 12:46:29 PM »
Your $200 shifter was not replaced under warranty when less than a year old?

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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Rohloff Gravel bike recommendations?
« Last post by RonS on December 03, 2025, 11:42:53 PM »
As a courtesy to Thorn Cycles, who generously provide us with this forum, it is generally accepted that recommending bikes other than Thorn is something that's avoided.

Lots of us on the forum have non Thorn bikes, and we do mention them if it is relevant to the thread, usually when regarding the Rohloff, but we don't suggest they're "better".

The Mercury takes 650b X 48 tires. It would make a fine gravel bike.
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Rohloff Gravel bike recommendations?
« Last post by pakcyclist on December 03, 2025, 10:34:06 PM »
I have 2 Rohloff bikes:  a custom Spectrum Ti road bike, with about 100,000 miles (!) -- but I did have to spend $600 for repairs when the seatstay cracked in 2; so much for "lasting a lifetime," but I digress.  Also have an MTB, built from a single-speed hardtail with sliding dropouts.  This spring, I got a Breezer gravel bike.  Since I mostly ride the road bike, I didn't want to spend the money -- or effort -- getting a Rohloff setup.  Boy, do I now regret that!  After just 8 months -- not much more than 1,000 miles -- I already had to spend $200 for a new Shimano GPX shifter!  What freaking garbage!  So, any ideas for a Rohloff equipped gravel bike?  A search I did only came up with a couple UK builders/shops, with prices well over $5,000, NOT including shipping and tariffs.  Since I don't do gravel too often, I'm not spending that much.  Guess I would have to build it up from scratch.  (Unless I found something used.)  Any ideas on a suitable frame?  A SS with sliding dropouts would obviously be the most ideal, but I suspect that doesn't exist. Don't want to spend the money for a custom.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Hokkaido, Japan
« Last post by Andre Jute on December 02, 2025, 10:37:54 PM »
I love the juxtaposition of the first two photographs, of the somewhat ragged tarpaper doghouse accommodation with the sublime image of the lighthouse at Cape Nosappu against the sun's rays just rising on the horizon over open water.
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