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Electric Conversions of "Manual" Bikes / Re: Bafang PAS senso
« Last post by lamonabike on Today at 02:18:44 PM »
Thanks. Could do yes. I’d rather avoid either!

Filing down is something I could live with.
I’m less convinced that the PAS sensor will fit and there doesn’t seem to be a way to check
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Electric Conversions of "Manual" Bikes / Re: Bafang PAS senso
« Last post by Andyb1 on Today at 06:45:52 AM »
On my wife’s hybrid I had to file the front fork dropout to 10mm to take the hub motor axle.   Could you find an older / cheaper fork?
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Electric Conversions of "Manual" Bikes / Bafang PAS senso
« Last post by lamonabike on June 27, 2026, 10:31:50 PM »
Hi. Has anyone recently converted their Rohloff-equipped Thorn with a Bafang front motor?
There’s a couple of issues Id like to understand.

The online sales stores (Amazon, etc) offer a left side and right side PAS sensor, neither of which seem very compatible with Thorn’s BB. Has someone fitted either of these successfully?

Also the Thorn dropouts are 9mm. I can’t tell but I imagine the Bafang kit requires 10mm. Has anyone successfully installed this and what was the solution?

Thanks!
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Bikes For Sale / Facebook ad: 969 Thorn Sherpa 485L £350 Newbury
« Last post by Willcol on June 27, 2026, 06:46:50 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/share/17tAiDcNRp/

As in title. Seller is very keen.
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I don't think I'd try and cycle up something that long and steep nowadays. I did go back to the Lakes in 2001 with my wife and one daughter during the foot and mouth epidemic (not so many people about), and went up Hardknott in a hired left-hand drive Citroën ZX with a fairly big diesel engine.

As I had already been living in France for several years and there were no other vehicles on the road at the time I drove the car up the pass the French way, relatively fast, with gear changes before and after the bends to keep the revs up, and was surprised to see walkers near the road clapping, maybe in irony.
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My "overkill" setup did, however, enable me to cycle up Hardknott pass in the English Lake District, the steepest bit on that hill is supposed to be about 30%.

Alas! We were all younger and fitter c1977. Congratulations.

I've been over the Hardknott Pass on foot (conclusion: machismo is stupid) and twice in Range Rovers I was testing for various magazines thirty years apart. I much preferred the Range Rover Way...just saying.

Anyone tempted to emulate Martin's Epic Transit of the Hardknott should note that it may be hours, perhaps even days, before a car comes along, so make sure your bike is in good order and you have enough spares with you.

And mind the feral sheep. There was this ram, who apparently thought we coveted its females, who head-butted the door of the Range Rover, through which I'd just escaped its enraged attentions, so hard that it got stuck by its horns sticking through the aluminium doorskin. I climbed over the centre console and my companion, and gave the jack another couple of strokes so that the ram's front feet we're off the muddy road and it hung from its horns at an angle where it couldn't release its horns by scrabbling in the slippery mud with its hind feet. Then I packed the flat wheel away neatly, checked the wheel nuts, and stood for a couple of minutes fixing angles and distances in my mind while the bloody ram stared at me with bloodshot eyes, probably trying to convey, 'Are you dissing me by working right here in my personal space?' I said to my companion through the sunroof, 'Wind down the rear passenger window on my side.' Then I grabbed the ram by the lowest joints on its rear legs and lifted its back end so it could free its horns from the door. It twisted around with unbelievable speed, presumably hyper-motivated by my impertinence in coming so near its only reason for existence, but I was already twirling like a Scottish rugby forward tossing the caber at the village sports day, and when the animal was high enough and I was moving fast enough, let it go to fly over the roof of the car to land about fifty feet on the downside of the mountain to give me time to salvage the jack, which I thought, correctly, we would need again, throw it through the back window, get into the car and get it moving. That ram was incredibly fast because in the less than the ten seconds it took me to let down the car and throw the jack into the car and me through the driver's door, it reached us and, as the car passed it, used its horns to score the rear quarter of the car.

I've been convinced ever since that you can't hate sheep enough.

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Thorn General / Re: Bike identification and valuation
« Last post by Andre Jute on June 27, 2026, 01:44:49 AM »
My "overkill" setup did, however, enable me to cycle up Hardknott pass in the English Lake District, the steepest bit on that hill is supposed to be about 30%.

Alas! We were all younger and fitter c1977. Congratulations.
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Thorn General / Re: Bike identification and valuation
« Last post by martinf on June 26, 2026, 11:21:39 PM »
Someone must have swapped the rear wheel since the bike was built as there's a sticker saying "Equipped with Rohloff".

Not necessarily. My frameset came with that sticker. I bought a Rohloff wheel separately, but could have bought a Shimano hub instead. If I had been a bit younger when I bought it I would probably fitted a Shimano 8, but not an 11 as I didn't trust the first version of the Alfine 11.

How many speeds has the Alfine hub, 8 or 11? The latter is worth more but isn't as robust as a Rohloff hub and has a smaller gearing range than the Rohloff so is less suitable for touring anywhere with hills.

The original poster says 8-speed. I like the Shimano 8-speeds, and have them on several family bikes. But the resale value is obviously much lower than a Rohloff, which seems to keep a high second-hand price.

And in 2026 I doubt that anyone would buy a bike with an 8-speed hub with a range of "only" about 307% for touring in hilly areas.

This is mainly because expectations have changed, my state of the art 15-speed tourer in 1977 had a gear range of 343%, only a little wider than the Shimano 8 hub gear. My fellow riders in 1977 considered it to be overkill, most of them had the popular 40/50 double chainring setup, with an overall range of about 250%.  My "overkill" setup did, however, enable me to cycle up Hardknott pass in the English Lake District, the steepest bit on that hill is supposed to be about 30%.

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Thorn General / Re: Bike identification and valuation
« Last post by Andyb1 on June 26, 2026, 10:38:41 AM »
Parcelforce will courier a bike in a box that is under 30kg total weight for around £25.  Their advice attached.

https://www.parcelforce.com/help-and-advice/sending/bicycle

Many LBS have unwanted cardboard boxes.  Or the buyer could arrange a courier (box probably still needed).
I bought my Raven from the East of England and it was delivered to Somerset like that - all OK.
Obviously it needs to be well packed so that might take an hour or so, and I would only do it when sold, but it broadens your market from around Dundee to the whole of UK.
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Thorn General / Re: Bike identification and valuation
« Last post by JohnR on June 26, 2026, 10:19:04 AM »
Someone must have swapped the rear wheel since the bike was built as there's a sticker saying "Equipped with Rohloff". How many speeds has the Alfine hub, 8 or 11? The latter is worth more but isn't as robust as a Rohloff hub and has a smaller gearing range than the Rohloff so is less suitable for touring anywhere with hills.
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