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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Last post by in4 on January 07, 2025, 10:59:51 AM »
Reply from Nikwax:

After consulting with the Lab Department they have advised that the link you provided shows that the pannier is made of waxed cotton and therefore if the care label allows washing in the machine, use Tech Wash initially as this will remove the dirt/dust and other contaminants that would hinder the reproofing process. Once cleaned then spray with Wax Cotton Proof.

How effective it is compared to wax I don’t know.
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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Last post by UKTony on January 07, 2025, 09:01:53 AM »
I’ve never used sprays like nikwax. My only thought is that the hot wax treatment 😬 MIGHT be more effective than a spray at penetrating the seams and other stitching  on the bags.
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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Last post by Andre Jute on January 07, 2025, 04:54:57 AM »
I've used Nikwax not on Carradice but on my Berghaus mountain jacket, which is just nylon canvas with a layer of Goretex on the inside. The way it works best is to wash the jacket in the washing machine, put it through the dryer at the approved temperature on the label, and to apply the Nikwax in a light layer when it is bone-dry. Just the hot-air drying already improves the waterproofing, the Nikwax improves the waterproofing further -- but also makes the jacket hotter because it interferes with the passing through of moisture. On the whole, I prefer just the washing and hot-air drying as more comfortable but that is not a full day's waterproofing, while the Nikwax lasts longer.

That sort of slight fluffiness on the weather side of tightly woven nylon (or whatever polypropylene) is apparently a major part of waterproofing with breathability, according to a plastics specialist* who once climbed one of the Irish mountains with us.

* He came with us only once because he was an Englishman over here on a local consulting job but I remember him because he told a really good joke. He said of a sleepy town we drove through on the way to the mountain, "Dunmanway is a town so dull, at six o'clock every evening the council rolls up the pavement."
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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Last post by mickeg on January 06, 2025, 11:42:49 AM »
I was unaware that they made such a product.

I have been using other Nik Wax products for years, primarily on my leather hiking boots.  And that is still my go-to treatment for leather boots.

Let us know if you use it and how it works out.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Any advice on riding along north coast of Scotland and Orkneys?
« Last post by haqattaqq on January 06, 2025, 04:31:28 AM »
Re NC500. Unless you are intent on riding as far west on it I can suggest taking the A836 from Tongue to Lairg as an alternative. The road is very smooth and a real pleasure to Altnahara. From there it’s a bit bleak and exposed. Lairg is a nice place to overnight and to ride off elsewhere from.

I did the Hebridean way last year and just loved it... but I found it bleak and exposed (but beautiful!) - would you think that going west from Tongue to Durness (and then south to Rhiconich/Laxford Bridge) is not worth it? It looks like there are some nice lochs and a few cool sights along there, but if it's filled with caravans and motor homes maybe that's not worth it.

That's great to hear that the Orkney's are so great. I'll look into spending a few more days there.
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Plus one for In4's comments.
I also took his route South to Ullapool via Lairg.

Matt
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Rohloff Internal Hub Gears / Re: Rohloff - What's YOUR Opinion ?
« Last post by martinf on January 05, 2025, 03:09:55 PM »
When riding with derailleur gears (which could be a few years old) there is often the thought at the back of my mind that the chain might slip on a sprocket (or as a worst case have chainsuck), or a mech can get knocked or go out of adjustment so the chain ends up in the rear wheel, or the chain can drop off / fall between chainwheels.  The probability of these things happening obviously increasing as the gear system ages……not a worry with Rohloff.

That kind of thing can happen. I have done about the same distance with derailleurs as with hub gears, and have destroyed only two rear derailleurs in about 130,000 kms (both times after picking up metal debris, once off road and once on a proper road). So with a reasonably well maintained drivetrain I reckon it is a fairly rare occurrence, except perhaps for serious off-road riding.

Shortly after I got my lightweight tourer in 1977 I did have a chain come off the inner ring and get stuck between ring and frame (making some unsightly small dents in the lightweight Reynolds tubing), but I reckon that was due to bad adjustment on my part. 

Chain skipping is a feature of derailleur gears when the chain and/or sprocket(s) are worn. This also happened on my hub-geared Brompton, but doesn't happen on hub gear bikes or single-speeds with an eccentric or sliding dropout that eliminates a derailleur-style tensioner.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Any advice on riding along north coast of Scotland and Orkneys?
« Last post by in4 on January 05, 2025, 02:21:23 PM »
+1for Orkney. I was there  March ‘23  Whilst the weather was very mixed it’s a great place to ride.
I camped at the Point of Ness Campsite, close to the Stromness Ferry Port.
Skara Brae and the house nearby are worth visiting.
I went across to Rousey and rode around it. Interestingly, the wind was beastly. It slowed me down so much that I missed the last ferry and had to spend the night in the waiting room. Thankfully the key holder let me stay so down went the mat, sleeping bag and out came the stove. Brilliant!

First ferry back the next 🌅 morning @ 6.30.

Re NC500. Unless you are intent on riding as far west on it I can suggest taking the A836 from Tongue to Lairg as an alternative. The road is very smooth and a real pleasure to Altnahara. From there it’s a bit bleak and exposed. Lairg is a nice place to overnight and to ride off elsewhere from. I rode on to Ullapool ( absolute joy) then caught the ferry to Stornoway to do the Hebridean Way.
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Muppets Threads! (And Anything Else) / Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Last post by in4 on January 05, 2025, 02:10:02 PM »
Anyone used the Nikwax alternative to waterproof wax products?
I’m wondering if the Nikwax product is more effectively applied than the usual cloth, wax and hairdryer solution.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284902527103?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=hfGEAJ6AQ7-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=97mIOAvUSji&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

TIA
PS Happy New Year to everyone. Here in slushy UK Matt’s Thailand trip sounds like a great idea. 💡
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I was on Orkney last Summer.
It was my third or fourth time. I live in Aberdeen so took the ferry up.
A few years ago I rode the end to end of Scotland and came down from Shetland to the mainland via Orkney.
I've also ridden parts of the N500.

Yes, very busy on the N500 with cars and caravans/ motorhomes. Not pleasant at times and few alternatives.
Orkney a complete contrast although of course during Summer months traffic increases.
Pretty flat on Orkney compared to around Bettyhill and Scrabster.
I stayed at the Youth hostel in Kirkwall.
A one day complete circuit was too much for me  but a few roads can cut the circle in half,so doable.

For me, the N500, despite having excellent scenery, has been over marketed and the Orkney islands offer more.
On my last visit, I went to the Orkney outer small islands rather than staying on the mainland. But I don't think you will have time for that.

I'm in Aberdeen so pleased to make you welcome if you're passing through.

Matt
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