Author Topic: New Rohloff dual-trigger shifter by Tout Terrain's new Cinq5 accessory division  (Read 19186 times)

John Saxby

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I had a Jawa where the gear lever was also the kickstarter and it was on the right hand side.

Ian, are you sure your Jawa had its kickstarter/gearshift on the right? I had a 350 Jawa twin in the late 60's, with that same ingenious dual-function foot thingy, and I remember mine as being on the left side.  Mind you, I was using that bike south of the Equator, so maybe its polarity was reversed, so to speak. Or maybe mine was...

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Polarised memory John. 'twas on the left as you say. :P

BMW sidecar outfits are hard to kickstart. Lever goes down and outward (rather than down and back) into the gap twixt bike and "chair".

Yamaha XT 550 appalingly hard to start. (especially if petrol not turned on  ::)

A friend of mine was hospitalised by an XT500 with worn points......

Ian


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Hi All
Well as I have said before I havebeen a Motorcycle for over 30+ years! (O deer)
So said some old old motorcycle did have thl on the left hand side of the hanlebars BUT on the right hand side was the Avd/Ret (timeing adjustment)!!!
Jawa's! Started off being made in the CZ and ended up being made in Germay.. I have repaired newer Jawa and the kick strder and gear lever are on the left hand side! BUT you can fit the gear lever (only) can be fitted to the right hand side!
Also over tha years motorcycles have had the drive chain on the left and right hand side! Like on bicycles over the years! Yes this is ture! NEW bicycles had it on some BMX bikes.
We have a few for sale at work.
This is not the point! All over the World People get onto horses from the Left hand Side! All newer Motorcycles are desgined for you to get on from the Left hand side to!
Why get on from the mid of the road?
Do you all know that in parts of Europe you drive on the right hand side on the highways and Left hand side in the Towns! Yes mad but ture! the last in Europe was in the late 1970's

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Back to the original post!  My Raven is currently in build so will I get the new shifter or the old?

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Flat bar - old shifter.... but possibly wait to get the new version for better grip.

Drop bar - Tout Terrain's levers make some sense.

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My Raven is currently in build so will I get the new shifter or the old?
Hi Ads!

The decision as to which shifter to get can be a difficult one.

You could get the one most suited to your needs and preferences, use it as long as it functions, and if it somehow fails to meet expectations, then consider selling it on. Fortunately, the shifter is a separate part from the hub and you could always revert to the OEM Rohloff shifter if needed.

The downside of going with any aftermarket component with unique function is long-term serviceability and maintenance parts. Having gone this route in the past, I found such parts sometimes very ably addressed a need but at the cost of long-term repair and availability. I sometimes found parts were available for only a short time (if at all) and only in large, well-stocked shops with purchase contracts or direct from the manufacturer. I've seen enough of the CNC-billet aluminum craze in the late 1980s-1990s to be a bit cautious. A lot of businesses cropped up when CNC mills became inexpensively available, but sometimes the manufacturing method wasn't well-suited to the materials or designs and there was a greater incidence of failure than in forged parts available from larger, more well-established manufacturers.

I kept all this in mind when specifying which shifter to choose for my drop-'bar Nomad. I finally decided to go with the standard Rohloff shifter, reasoning it was well-shielded against weather and parts or a replacement would likely be available in some form as long as Rohloff remained in business. Rohloff has always been good about making any new products backward-compatible with older/existing products, so I reasoned this would work in my favor when it came to getting replacement rubber shifter grips, etc. The original works well for me, I'm happy, but did have to use some creativity in mounting it for use with my preferred drop handlebars.

Some questions to ask yourself about any Rohloff-compatible shifter might include:
• What are the mounting options? Can it be freely repositioned if needed?
• Is it well sealed against weather?
• Does it use standard cables, housings, and end ferrules?
• Is the diameter a comfortable size for your hand?
• How will it work in the wet, hot, or cold? Is the surface slippery?
• Are gear positions well-marked or marked at all? Is this important to me?
• Are replacement parts available?
• Are the complete units widely available?

Hope this helps.

Best,

Dan.

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Ain't gonna pull the trigger on  something so pricey.  Nope.

il padrone

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Ain't gonna pull the trigger....

Hahaha!!!  ;D

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Apologies if already posted but here are some photos of said Cinq 5 triggers

http://www.shandcycles.com/2013/09/03/toute-terrain-cinq5-rohloff-thumb-shifters/

Don't you just love yellow  ;)

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Hi thanks I like the look more..
This is the best shifters I have seen for a Rohloff B-)

I may have to put my money down on a set....

Pete.........


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A dual -trigger would be welcome.  The standard Rohloff gear changer has ruined my right glove index finger.
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Me to!
I would be buying a set if I did not have a newmountain bike coming..
How if Rohloff put more money into designing a better shifter ...

Pete




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I'm wondering why people are calling this system "trigger shifters." I would have said that, by definition, trigger shifters are ratcheting shifters where the levers return to position after a shift, with the levers thus always being in the same place before use.

These shifters are IMHO really dual, opposed thumb shifters. Moving one will move the other in the opposite direction, the lever positions will NOT be constant, and I wonder if the levers might not be hard to reach in certain gears, as is the case with thumb shifters. At least the various grip shifters are always in the same place relative to one's hand...

Later,
Stephen


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I would have said that, by definition, trigger shifters are ratcheting shifters where the levers return to position after a shift, with the levers thus always being in the same place before use.

Which by definition are virtually impossible to run with the Rohloff as it relies on two opposing cables. Trigger shifters require a spring tensioning of the cable to function (to hook into the ratchet, and to release the cable).

At least the various grip shifters are always in the same place relative to one's hand...

Correct. I'd very much agree this is the best option.

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Hi Stephen!

There is also the Cresswell Ovo ratcheting shifter described more fully in this thread:
http://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=6541.0

Like the Cinq5 shifters, the Cresswell does not return to its starting point for the reasons Pete (Il Padrone) described (it is due to the Rohloff's pull-pull cable action). It does, however, have buttons and a ratchet to allow it to change direction...and will still remain where placed rather than returning to its starting point as would a true "trigger shifter" as you've correctly defined it.
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These shifters are IMHO really dual, opposed thumb shifters. Moving one will move the other in the opposite direction, the lever positions will NOT be constant, and I wonder if the levers might not be hard to reach in certain gears, as is the case with thumb shifters.
Exactly!  ;D Some bike parts are named popularly rather than correctly.

Best,

Dan. (...who has yet to see a truly "free" wheel. Most are captured in bike frames and cost money  ;D )
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