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dodgy healt and cycling
« on: August 09, 2013, 10:36:14 pm »
Serious enough question lads,would any of you know what would be the outcome of riding with high blood pressure and high cholesterol ,like would a fella drop dead when the going gets tough ::)i had loads of tests done over the last few weeks because my blood tests came back with not great results.
mind you i did stop taking the lipertor for high cholesterol months ago so i reckon that could have something to do with it.but there were killing me and i really dont want to go back taking them  tablets.should i be asking the doctor to put me on a lighter dose  any of you guys go through the same thing, i dont want to be going out cycling thinking i'm gonna drop dead at the first big hill ;D ;D
anyway lads any advice greatly appreciated.

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2013, 10:53:47 pm »
Well, jags, the first thing to do would be to consult your doctor. He or she might wish to do an electrocardiogram, an ultrasound, or a treadmill or chemical stress test to see if you're okay to cycle.

If it is only that you have high cholesterol and/or high triglycerides, then -- provided you have their okay -- exercise, a good heart-healthy diet and cholesterol-lowering meds are generally thought to be beneficial.

I do know some people have reacted badly to statins such as Liptitor. A primary sign can be muscle soreness. I recent;y started on simvastatin (generic for Zocor) and so far, things seem to be going pretty well.

Go ask your doctor, jags; best first-course to follow.

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2013, 11:14:23 pm »
My grand strategy... I have found that losing weight has helped bring down my blood pressure. Less refined carbohydrates and fats, more whole foods etc. - helps the cholesterol too. If I can get my BMI down from 25 to 21... at that point, it will start to make sense to think about taking pounds off the bike since most of those around my mid-section will have been taken proper care of. I don't have the exact rules for the contest, but something like: maintain a BMI of 21 or less for a year, and I can buy myself an Audax bike!

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2013, 11:26:02 pm »
Serious enough question lads,would any of you know what would be the outcome of riding with high blood pressure and high cholesterol ,like would a fella drop dead when the going gets tough ::)i had loads of tests done over the last few weeks because my blood tests came back with not great results.
mind you i did stop taking the lipertor for high cholesterol months ago so i reckon that could have something to do with it.but there were killing me and i really dont want to go back taking them  tablets.should i be asking the doctor to put me on a lighter dose  any of you guys go through the same thing, i dont want to be going out cycling thinking i'm gonna drop dead at the first big hill ;D ;D
anyway lads any advice greatly appreciated.

cheers
jags.


Dude, statins can cause anything from muscle damage to diabetes to heart failure (yeah, studies are coming out showing they actually cause it. Your body uses cholesterol to repair itself. You need to find out why your body is putting so much cholesterol in your blood stream. There are only a very few people who actually need these drugs to control this problem, which in them is caused by genetics. You're probably not one of them.) to dementia.

You need to look these things up.

The Mercola site is good. You can get what you really need by reading the articles then changing your diet and getting anything else from your local health food store. [Language edited to avoid potentially libellous statement -- Dan]

I'm about 70lbs lighter than I was at my peak thanks to following his advice. I don't even follow it completely! You should definitely look into his advice on nutrition.

Just type in lipitor, or statins or "New Study Shows Using Statins Actually Worsens Your Heart Function" into his search engine for more info.





"Are You Taking a Statin for No Reason?

    For certain individuals who are at very high risk of dying from a heart attack, statin drugs may be useful -- but this is only true if you have strong heart attack risk factors (NOT if you simply have "high" cholesterol levels). It is important to note that it is also not necessary for you to remain on the drug for the rest of your life. Once your cholesterol ratios have been optimized by a course of treatment on statins, you can safely go off them if you have changed your diet..So, odds are very high -- greater than 100 to 1 -- that if you're taking a statin, you don't really need it.

    The only two subgroups that might benefit are:

        Those at very high risk of heart attack (based NOT on your cholesterol levels but on your heart attack risk factors)
        Those born with a genetic defect called familial hypercholesterolemia, as this makes you resistant to traditional measures of normalizing cholesterol

    If you are not in one of those two categories, statin drugs are an unnecessary health risk you're better off avoiding -- and you definitely want to avoid the trap of taking them to lower your cholesterol when your cholesterol is actually well within a healthy range.

    I have seen a number of people with total cholesterol levels over 250 who were actually at low risk for heart disease due to their elevated HDL levels. Conversely, I have seen many people with cholesterol levels under 200 who had a very high risk of heart disease, based on their low HDL.

    Further, if you take statin drugs unnecessarily, there's a good chance your cholesterol levels will become too low, which is dangerous since your body NEEDS cholesterol -- it is important in the production of cell membranes, hormones, vitamin D and bile acids that help you to digest fat. Cholesterol also helps your brain form memories and is vital to your neurological function.

    There is also strong evidence that having too little cholesterol INCREASES your risk for cancer, memory loss, Parkinson's disease, hormonal imbalances, stroke, depression, suicide, and violent behavior – so keeping your cholesterol high enough is important."




"How Statins May Actually Cause Heart Failure

    The Clinical Cardiology study did not address causes, but it's widely known that statins lower your CoQ10 levels by blocking the pathway involved in cholesterol production -- the same pathway by which Q10 is produced. Statins also reduce the blood cholesterol that transports CoQ10 and other fat-soluble antioxidants.

    The loss of CoQ10 leads to loss of cell energy and increased free radicals which, in turn, can further damage your mitochondrial DNA, effectively setting into motion an evil circle of increasing free radicals and mitochondrial damage.

    There are no official warnings in the U.S. regarding CoQ10 depletion from taking statin drugs, and many physicians fail to inform you about this problem as well. Labeling in Canada, however, clearly warns of CoQ10 depletion and even notes that this nutrient deficiency "could lead to impaired cardiac function in patients with borderline congestive heart failure."

    As your body gets more and more depleted of CoQ10, you may suffer from fatigue, muscle weakness and soreness, and eventually heart failure, so it is imperative if you take statin drugs that you take CoQ10 or, if you are over the age of 40, the reduced version called ubiquinol."



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    The majority of people who use statin cholesterol-lowering drugs are doing so because they believe lowering their cholesterol will prevent heart attacks and strokes. How many of these people do you think would continue to take them if they knew these very same drugs have been linked to decreased heart muscle function and increased risk of stroke?

    No one in their right mind?

    The truth is, the usefulness of statin drugs has received tough scrutiny in recent months, and that scrutiny is well deserved.  Take this study in Clinical Cardiology. It found that heart muscle function was "significantly better" in the control group than in those taking statin drugs! The researchers concluded:

        "Statin therapy is associated with decreased myocardial [heart muscle] function."

    What's often the end result when your heart muscle function is weakened or decreased? Heart failure!
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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2013, 11:40:52 pm »
Cheers lads a lot of info there NO thanks,
i'll see what my doc has to say  next week .
yeah if i can get my diet working right i think i'll sort this out but easier said than done, i'm a geek for letting things go  and i have a sweet tooth i dring tea and coffee by the gallon.
yes getting my head around eating properly will be a challange thats for certain.
thanks again lads.

jags.
just found this what d you guys think.
http://articles.mercola.com/videos.aspx
« Last Edit: August 10, 2013, 12:07:42 am by jags »

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2013, 12:39:50 am »
The important thing is to change nothing about your medication without first discussing it with your GP. To stop taking medication without first mentioning it to your GP could be dangerous.

I've been on statins for years, and expect to be on them for the rest of my life. I'd rather believe highly trained specialists than some person on the net who wants to sell you stuff.

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2013, 03:27:24 am »
Or all the studies done by highly trained professionals with Doctorates that his site reports on?

Your choice. I'd at least take the ubiquinol if I were you.

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2013, 10:21:28 am »
thanks lads yeah i'll have a chat with the doc next week he knows the reason i gave up the lipertor .
anyway i'll wait and see. ::)

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2013, 10:51:29 am »

Anto
have a parallel strategy that won't worry the doc's: Give up meat and biscuits!

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2013, 11:16:44 am »
Anto,
I was in the same condition as you a few years ago, overweight, cycling with high blood pressure and high cholestrol.

My doctor offered me the choice of diet or statins and I took the diet to try first - it has worked. I basically cut down on high fat and sugary foods, increased my fruit and veg intake and took regular exercise. I am now a good stone and a half lighter with acceptable cholestrol levels.

For high blood pressure I was initially on beta blockers, but found they slowed me down too much. I am now on calcium channel blockers and they work better for me with no noticeable side effects.

Cycling will only improve you, the exercise is beneficial and the Zen effect even more beneficial.
Julian.

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2013, 11:38:34 am »
Julian i was on those beta blockers my average speed went from 14mph to 7 mph i soon got rid of them  ;)
yeah come next week i'm gonna tra my best (i keep falling off the wagon) with my diet no more sweet goodies . :o

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2013, 05:26:16 pm »
I don't mean to be combative, but I noticed this last night and didn't post so I'm posting it now since others have posted of muscle pain with these drugs.

"Lipitor Tied to Liver, Kidney Injury, as Well as Muscle Damage

It seems that Baycol is not alone among cholesterol lowering drugs in posing serious dangers to the public. A number of legal actions are also being pursued against Pfizer Inc., the manufacturer of the Lipitor.

Excerpts from Public Citizen's Health Research Group's Petition to Require a Box Warning on All HMG-CoA Reductase Inhibitors ("Statins"):

    " ... Public Citizen, representing 135,000 consumers nationwide, hereby petitions the FDA pursuant to the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act 21, U.S.C. Section 355(e)(3), and C.F.R. 10.30, to add a black box warning and additional consistent bolded warnings about this serious problem to the label of all statins marketed in the United States."

    "Doctors and the public must be warned to immediately discontinue use of statin drugs at the onset of muscle pain, muscle tenderness, muscle weakness or tiredness."

    "Prompt cessation of the use of statins at the first sign of muscle pain, muscle tenderness, muscle weakness or tiredness and prompt evaluation by a physician including a blood test for creatine phosphokinase (a measure of muscle destruction) may avoid the progression to more extensive muscle damage, rhabdomyolysis and death."

    "Rhabdomyolysis has been reported with all statins currently marketed in the United States."
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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2013, 07:35:40 pm »
no ,i'm taking the chance with lipitor anymore.my  legs were in a lot of pain when i was on them after i stopped maybe a few weeks later i was ok,the beta blockers weren't much better  no pain but no energy so they got the door as well ;)

i got a lovely 30 miles in today felt great to be honest, and was just thinking if i got my act together and lost 2 stone by this time next year i would be going twice as well as i am at the moment.
easier said than done though but i'm gonna have a go better than been relying on  drugs  ::)

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Re: dodgy healt and cycling
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2013, 10:08:34 pm »

Anto: Julian is right about the Zen!

No,at this rate we'll be calling you Dr No  ;)

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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2013, 10:25:51 pm »
Who is this ZEN  ::)