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lewis noble

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Change needed??
« on: August 10, 2011, 09:29:10 AM »
Hello everyone, I would welcome some observations.

I bought my RT about 5 years ago, when I retired from full-time work.  Been delighted with it, love the Rohloff, etc.  I was planning to do some long tours, but for a variety of reasons relating to family and continued work never did so, and have never used RT to full potential - a couple of Coast to Coast type rides, day rides (usually 40 - 50 miles or less).  Favourite terrain - byways, trails etc., nothing heavy.

Over the last year or so, I have developed arthritis in my wrists and thumb joints, which has led to considerable discomfort when riding, and has been quite discouraging.  Has also affected other pastimes (e.g. music) as well.  I wondered about getting a lighter 'hybrid' bike with suspension forks - 2 reputable local bike shops advised against this, saying I would not notice the difference on anything other than v. bad surfaces and would lose some degree of control.  One bike shop advised something like a Cube hybrid - much lighter than the RT and with sus forks.

I had a long and very helpful chat with Robin Thorn earlier this year - he advised changing to bigger tyres, and replacing the stem to get a more upright position.  Both these things have helped - I now run on 2 x 26 Duremes, 35 psi at front and 70 at rear - comfortable, grip well and roll well.  And the upright position has helped quite a bit.  Robin also advised against sus forks on all but really rough terrain.

But of course I still have a bike which, while it feels superbly stable and comfortable on long downhill runs, takes a fair bit of getting up the hills to get there - I suppose all bikes do!!  But I am carrying around a lot of unnecessary weight and still wonder if suspension forks would be more 'comfortable' on wrists and joints.

All comments welcome - thanks.

Lewis

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julk

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 09:44:29 AM »
Lewis,
Commiserations on developing arthritis.

I too have moved to 2" tyres and a more upright stem with advancing age and find them more forgiving on the body.

You don't say which handlebars you use - I would try Thorn Comfort bars if possible and with Ergon GP1 grips which require much less hand pressure/grip in my experience.

The only other long term suggestion is to go for a Rohloff recumbent trike, come on Thorn!
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lewis noble

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2011, 01:47:17 PM »
Thanks, Julian - yes, others have suggested Ergon grips . . . . .

And a recumbent!!  Yes, that had occurred to me too - cost a bit of a problem but a good idea.

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2011, 02:22:51 PM »
Thanks, Julian - yes, others have suggested Ergon grips . . . . .

And a recumbent!!  Yes, that had occurred to me too - cost a bit of a problem but a good idea.

Lewis

Out of interest, Thorn did a recumbent some years ago - very small numbers, and before they were involved with Rohloff - I did a blog post on it here:  http://paulmor.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/the-rarest-of-all-thorns/

I am sure I have seen one being ridden near Cambridge on the A14, with a clear plastic windscreen.
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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 02:27:11 PM »
Lewis
another shout for Ergon grips.  My wife suffers with wrist pain and cant cycle with anything other than Ergons - and a upright cycle position.  With this modifications she can cycle 70 mile+ per a day without pain.

 

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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 07:34:54 PM »
I also retired about 5 years ago and bought a thorn xtc. I now ride 3 bikes regularly aiming at 100 miles a week. A Kona mountain bike with air forks disc brakes and ergon grips. this is probably lighter than the xtc but the xtc  probably averages a slightly higher speed. The third bike is a carbon trek Madone which surprisingly is the most comfortable and for the same effort much faster. Also drop bars give a variety of hand positions easing any aches by the changes you can make.
I would not expect suspension forks to help with hand and wrist problems they do however help with the effect on overall comfort of a rigid alloy frame
and the disc brakes are by far the best. Consequently this is the bike I ride to the swimming pool in the mornings and for a 12 mile ride after. Longer rides 30 mile plus, I use the xtc or madone depending on the weather. Both absorb a lot of the road vibrations and both have the stems flipped to raise the bars, to ease neck problems.
The xtc is a light tourer and i don't tour because my wife is now unable to cycle. knowing the advantages of a light bike with 700 wheels I am considering changing the xtc for a Thorn Audax. This may be something you could consider, the lighter weight I am sure will be beneficial and if you did not want to try drops could be built with straight bars. Again I would recommend ergon grips perhaps with bar ends to give an alternative grip on longer rides.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 10:20:00 PM »
Or, for £20, you could try moustache style bars.

http://www.discountbicycles.co.uk/biz/product.php/5266/0/fisher_northroad_raised_aluminium_moustache_handlebars/3b96ea126da208e58e167bf6b6787666

That'll give you a much more upright posture, plus your hands will be more fore and aft, your elbows will point down, rather than out, the twistgrip and brakes fit fine. I even managed to fit a pair of stubbies on the curve for a semi-aero position.
 

Andre Jute

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2011, 03:04:25 AM »
Hello everyone, I would welcome some observations.

I'm a writer, which is manual work on a keyboard. I sit fourteen hours a day. I'm therefore acutely conscious of wrist and back ergonomics. My bike is custom-designed to maximize my comfort. Here are some observations, from what I learned, gradually, in building up three bikes ever more successfully, until now I have no need or desire to change:

1. Forget reducing the weight of the bike. That's racing bicyclist nonsense. The pound or two you save in the total scheme of bike plus rider will be around one per cent, worthless.

2. Start by deciding to sit more upright. Move the saddle back as far as you can to get a more relaxed virtual seat tube angle. Now move the handle bars up and back. This requires a steering tube extender and the shortest stem you can find, or, better still, a short stem with a steep rise or an adjustable angle to give you even more height. North Road bars will give you even more height. You want to move the hands away from the flat bar position past 45 degrees angled from there, and North Road bars will also move your hands back so your forearms lie flatter (elbows pointing to the road, as someone else has already said). You won't be able to pedal as powerfully or ride as fast as you did before, but if the choice before you is giving up cycling altogether or riding more appropriately to your age and condition... (Not meaning to be rude, but some of us are there or approaching that stage.)

3. Go for deep comfort by getting the right parts. First of all, forget hydro-mechanical suspensions. They either don't work except on very rough roads, or they only appear to work, still letting through microvibrations, which is what really kills your wrists and your coccyx. Good ones also cost a fortune. The suspension that works for wrist and hands and backs is old-fashioned low pressure balloon tyres. Of these the best is the Schwalbe Big Apple, and you'll be pleasantly surprised to find that the Light folding version is lighter than the tyres you have now, and equally puncture-proof. There is also a racing weight tube to go in them, Schwalbe Type 19A. I use them on rough lanes in the South of Ireland and have nearly 5000km on my first set without signs of wear, and I've never had a flat. The Big Apples are also powerful roadholders. The Big Apples at the lowest inflation your rims can handle will keep microvibrations from reaching your wrists and your backside. Next, your more upright position requires a Brooks leather saddle considerably wider than the one you sit on now,preferably sprung. I like the B73, which has coil spring front and back.

4. You need ergonomic grips of some kind. I use the edge-on leather ring Brooks grips. I cycle in dress gloves, zero padding. My wrists have stopped hurting at last from the better angle of the north road bars and the small amount of give in the Brooks grips, but probably more from the fact that the Big Apples, the steel frame and the Brooks grips between them deal very effectively with the microvibrations. At the other end of the bike, my bike hasn't sent me to the physio with back pains for ten years now because the Big Apples, the springs of the Brooks saddle and the hammock shape of its leather keep the vibrations out there as well.

5. You might think that all this slows me down. Not so. On my last theoretically fast bike I was slow because I was out of puff a lot as I was too often in pain to ride it much; I hated it. Two intermediate bikes were more comfortable but I hadn't gone the full hog yet and the hard Marathon Plus tyres on them drove too much of the road's inequalities through the suspension into my wrists and backside to put me quite at ease. It was only when I went over to the Big Apple paradigm that I felt so much at ease, and started really liking riding so much, that I was soon fit(ter) and started picking up speed. Those Big Apples are also awesome at speed on the fastest downhills, very secure. Don't let their beach cruiser origins put you off: they're seriously controlled tyres for serious speed freaks. In town I ride off curbs without hesitation, which was never a pleasant option with my bikes with suspended forks.

Hope this helps.

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PS My Brooks B73 saddle and leather- ring grips are from SJS, which was the only place I could find both in stock in the honey tone I wanted.

lewis noble

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2011, 10:21:13 AM »
Thanks very much for all these replies - reading them with interest - keep them coming!!

I use Thorn Comfort bars and Thorn cork grips - fine when I got the bike, perhaps not now.

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2011, 01:09:06 PM »
I notice Ergon now make cork versions of the GP1... anyone tried them?

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2011, 05:40:24 PM »
Lewis,
I have recently put a much higher/shorter stem, more sweptback bars, a wide sprung Brooks Saddle and Ergon cork grips on my wifes bike.

Result - she is now riding with an upright posture and a big smile after not riding for a long time due to pain in wrists, hands and posterior when cycling on the previous setup.

Neil,
The Ergon cork grips are not like the SJS cork grips which are pure cork on the outside. The Ergon grips are a cork/rubber composite which feels very nice and should wear better than pure cork.

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 10:03:33 PM »
On One Mary bars are decidedly comfortable;I find the extra sweep aligns perfectly with the wrist.
 

lewis noble

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 03:34:49 PM »
Reviving this thread from the summer . . . .

Thanks for all the tips.  But after lots of trying bigger / softer tyres, revised posture etc etc I have decided to change my RT for decent hardtail with good suspension forks. 

What really clinched it was riding my brother's Trek for a spell - no after effects of wrist problems for a while (which has affected other hobbies such as music) and I enjoyed the experience - I will really miss the bomb-proof stability and reliability of the Thorn / Rohloff combo, but think I have made the right choice. 

I plan to get a decent trek or Cube - so I will be sprucing up my RT 512L and putting in here soon.

I guess there will be howls of contrary advice - that's what forums are for!! - but actual experience on the saddle, and changed needs / riding, is what has swung it.

Lewis - Sheffield
 

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2011, 06:01:55 PM »
You could swap all your RT components over to a Sterling frame and Magura fork and sell just the RT frame.  You would have a Rohloff equipped suspension trekking bike.
 

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 10:11:53 PM »
Lewis,

So sorry to hear you will need to sell your present Thorn, but it is always better to be able to ride _something_ rather than _nothing_, and sometimes that means making a change.  You don't want to incur injuries that affect even your non-cycling life, and so you'll need to make the change that is best for you...whatever that may be.

All support and best wishes your way; 'hope your wrists feel better soon.

Dan.