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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by Andyb1 on April 02, 2026, 10:00:32 PM »
George,
There are a lot of interesting places to see between London and Edinburgh, and some great scenery.
Including on the East Coast:
- Cambridge
- Lincoln
- York
- North York Moors
- Durham
- Newcastle
- Northumberland coast
If you route up the West coast North of Lancaster you have the Lake District and then Southern Scotland.
And lots of small places in between.

If I wanted to shorten the journey I would take a train to Cambridge from London and start riding from there.

UK has lots of shops.  Petrol stations are usually open and sell food so no need to carry too much.  If you need something you will probably be able to buy it.



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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by Matt2matt2002 on April 02, 2026, 04:37:41 PM »
Hi folks. I've been a bit slow to catch up on this thread.

If any of you pass through or near Aberdeen, please contact me for support or accommodation.
Aberdeen has the ferry/ship to Orkney/Shetland. I have been to both several times and can highly recommend them.

A few years ago I rode from the top of Scotland/Shetland, down to the Southern most tip, Mull of Galloway, via the Outer Hebrides and islands.
So can offer advice/thoughts of the West side of Scotland.

Best wishes
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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by mickeg on April 02, 2026, 12:18:06 PM »
Having never been to the UK, I would like to see some of the rural areas south of Edinburgh too.  Based on highway and community density, a lot of people live there and I am sure there is a lot to see there too.  There really is nothing on my must-see list in London, so I do not see that as a big rush.  Probably half of my London time would be organizing my gear, buying food and supplies, etc.

That RideWithGPS route from London to Edinburgh, there were over 100 photos of that route on that website.  And looking at those photos, I was really starting to get interested in seeing that route.

I might use the London hostel that has bike storage, and just leave the bike there while I sight see London.  The downside of that hostel is that it is further from some of the things I think I would like to see.  If a hostel in London does not have secured overnight bike storage, I am not going to use it.

I am losing interest in John O Groats.  Quite frankly, the only reason that was on my itinerary is that I started planning a LEJOG trip in 2019, which did not happen due to covid.  I saw this trip as a shorter version of that.  If there is better stuff to see in Scotland, I likely would change that plan.

My Iceland trip, I really wanted to see the interior.  When I went there, I literally had no route planned.  It became a three plus week of wandering about, the last week was spent making sure I was back in Reykjavik in time for my flight.  I really enjoyed that trip, possibly more so than any other bike trip I have done.  And my Canadian Maritimes trip, I had a route mapped out ahead of time at home, but I think I was off of my original route about 80 percent of the time.  My point is that I anticipate deviating from my plan, but I want to have some semblance of a plan to start with.

Thanks.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Groats
« Last post by JohnR on April 02, 2026, 11:05:33 AM »
Have you considered using the train for both forward and return journeys to London and leaving the bike somewhere secure in Edinburgh? In my opinion the time saved cycling between London and Edinburgh would be better spent exploring Scotland in more detail, it would also address earlier comments about bike security in London.
Indeed. There is, for example the north western half of the NC500 https://www.northcoast500.com/ which I confess I've driven but not cycled but have seen touring cyclists on it. It's probably best tackled clockwise as the prevailing wind is from the SW. Probably the biggest hazard is tourists in campervans. There's potential for a good circuit comprising Edinburgh - Glasgow - Fort William - up the west side - along part of the north - south to Lairg - Inverness - Edinburgh. This misses out JOG which, to be honest, doesn't have much to offer except being one end of the LEJOG (Dunnet head is further north).
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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by B cereus on April 02, 2026, 09:54:02 AM »
Here’s a left field suggestion:

On a first time visit and with limited time it’s tempting to try to include too much but, in my experience, less is often more.

Have you considered using the train for both forward and return journeys to London and leaving the bike somewhere secure in Edinburgh? In my opinion the time saved cycling between London and Edinburgh would be better spent exploring Scotland in more detail, it would also address earlier comments about bike security in London.

London has good public transport, including river Taxis.

https://www.thamesclippers.com/plan-your-journey/route-map
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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by mickeg on April 01, 2026, 10:55:36 PM »
Hi, George

I’ve thought of a few things that may help with your planning. in no particular order, here they are.
...

I planned to make the reservation for the airline, three hostel stays (upon arrival, in London, and just before my flight home), and train in the next week or so.  The train from Edinburgh to London is the only train I anticipated. 

I need to do a bike ride with my mirror to see if I like it, but tentatively it should work.  But it does vibrate slightly.  First photo.  I think I should have the mirror on the right side, for one thing that will remind me to ride on the other side of the road.

My helmet mirror can only go on the left side, it has a clamp that clamps onto my visor, second photo, the clamp is at an angle that puts makes it specific to only the left side. 

I am not going to go out of the way to save a few (almost said bucks for USD) quid (for GBP) if I am only riding one train ride.  But thanks for the suggestion.  A month and a half means that the costs will add up, but by mostly camping and hosteling, and most of my food would be cooked in a campsite, the total trip cost should be quite reasonable for that amount of time.

I did my Iceland trip a decade ago, about five weeks long.  That same year my sister did a two week guided group tour of several countries in Europe.  Afterwards I told her she really screwed up, her trip was only 40 percent as long, but cost twice as much as my trip.  She could have done two of my trips for the price she paid.

Third photo.  This was either Nova Scotia or PEI (Canada), the mosquitos were waiting for me to open the door for them in the morning to let them in for breakfast. 

I mentioned a few times that I have sprayed some of my clothing with Permethrin.  One problem with bugs and biking is that most bike jerseys are mesh and all those tiny little holes are there just so that bugs can easily bit you the moment they land on you.  Hopefully, but treating some of my clothing, that should help.

I am used to camping where there are a lot of bugs.  I am originally from Minnesota (USA).  And as a Minnesotan, I have some immunity to mosquitos.  In Minnesota, the mosquitos are quite large.  If they taste a baby human and the baby tastes good, they carry the baby off to eat later.  But if they taste a baby that tastes bad, they leave them behind.  Thus, after several generations, the humans don't taste very good to mosquitos.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by mickeg on April 01, 2026, 10:26:06 PM »
I don't live in London but have got the impression that it would be unwise to leave any bike outside and unattended unless it's covered in mud and rust. And if someone spots that it's got a Rohloff hub then it's definitely a goner. Battery power angle grinders can quickly munch through most locks and sometimes it's less effort to cut through whatever the bike has been secured to. Similar precautions are applicable in the other big cities.

Thanks, that was what I was anticipating.
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Bikes For Sale / Re: Sherpa 535L
« Last post by steveparry on April 01, 2026, 09:27:05 PM »
Still available.
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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by in4 on April 01, 2026, 09:26:10 PM »
3 things George, mindful of overload for you!
1. Avon make a product called Skin so Soft that the squaddies in Scotland use a midge repellant.
2. Parts of London are not safe and I'd certainly not leave your bike outside/ out of sight. Angle Grinders are about.
3. There's an app called trainline that many use for getting cheaper prices. If you are eligble for a Senior rail card then it might be worth getting one ( digital version available and you can store it within the trainline app for convenience.

https://www.thetrainline.com/

https://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-information/getting-around-london/cycling-in-london

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Cycle Tours / Re: Tentative Tour, London, Edinburgh, John O'Grotes
« Last post by RonS on April 01, 2026, 09:14:05 PM »
Hi, George

I’ve thought of a few things that may help with your planning. in no particular order, here they are.

UK trains;
Lightyears ahead of Amtrak and VIA. You will be impressed.
Depending on how much you plan to travel by train, it may be worth the £35 cost of a senior Railcard, which gives you a 1/3 discounted fare.

https://www.railcard.co.uk

Very unlike Amtrak and VIA, depending on the rail company, you can claim a fare refund for a late train. On LNER it is 50% for 30min and 100% for 60 minutes late arrival.
Fares are less with advance booking. Edinburgh to London is about £80 for a train tomorrow but only £40 if you book a month in advance.
The UK is serviced by different rail operators but the NationalRail phone app allows you to purchase tickets on any of them.

Like John, I use the Take-A-Look mirror that clips to glasses, although I clip mine to my helmet visor. What’s not widely known is that you can get a mirror drilled for use in places where they drive on the left. The wire frame is the same. They just drill the hole in the mirror on the opposite side. I have used it on my trips, and it makes adjustment for a good sight line so much easier.  Just email them and they’ll drop one in the mail.

I was reading a journal on CycleBlaze recently, and the author mentioned camping at Camping and Caravanning Club UK facilities. I had thought, based on the name and looking on their website, that these were member only campsites geared to motorized travellers. The author noted that there is an unadvertised policy of not turning away backpackers or cyclists. No membership needed. He stayed at several, and the price was £7 to £10. When I camped in Scotland in 2024 I paid £12 to £16 for a campsite.

https://www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk

https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/le2jog/

I second Paul’s recommendation for using Cycle.Travel for route planning.
Your RWGPS file shows taking the A9 from Inverness to John ‘o Groats. A quick look at street view will show you you don’t want to cycle there. JohnR’s route is much better. I can also vouch for the recommendation to check out the Crask Inn. When I stopped there in ’24 it was managed by a lovely couple (from Michigan!). You can pitch your tent in the back yard, but I took one of the reasonably priced rooms.

I was in Scotland in September ’24, the tail end of midge season. There were a few evenings when they were annoying, but one night at the boggy Torridon village campsite, I was happy to have a headnet. It’s one of those things where you won’t believe how bad they are until you see it first hand.

My last tidbit of wisdom has nothing to do with cycle touring, but, I think it’s the most important suggestion I can make. As a fellow lifelong resident of a right side traffic country, but one who has visited left hand traffic countries several times, I strongly suggest you practice this before you leave and never forget while you’re there, especially the first few days while your body is adjusting to the 6 hour time difference. I do this, and I believe it has saved me a world of hurt: every time you cross the street, say to yourself (I do it out loud) “LOOK RIGHT!”

Happy planning

On 14 May I will start cycling south from Inverness. If all goes according to plan, I will reach Hull and the ferry to Rotterdam on 4 June. Wouldn’t that be something if our paths crossed. I’ll keep a lookout for a yellow Nomad. Keep your eyes peeled for a black Raven
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