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stutho

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2007, 10:32:56 AM »
Hi Fred,

I have a B17 Titanium (honey), It took a while (~1000miles) but it is now very comfy.  Not sure if the titanium helps or not.  (If I bought another I think I would forgo the Ti)
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Fred A-M

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2007, 11:04:01 AM »
Cheers for the feedback Stuart: I will probably go for the B17ti (black), just simply as a last extravagance in terms of upgrading my RST!  I won't be doing any serious touring for a while now so plenty of time to break it in!
 

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2007, 02:15:20 PM »
I thought the original San Marco Rolls was bloody horrible, removed after first ride.

My B17 Champion (I just had to have those big copper rivets) was comfy from day-one and has got comfier (322km is my max on it so far).

As you can see below, 3500 miles hasn't had much effect on the shape.  It HAS given very slightly around sit-bones but hasn't really sagged and I've not had to retension it yet. (I'm 5'11" and 14.5 stone so not a lightweight)

I love the saddle and think it was worth fitting for looks alone.
 

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2007, 11:20:10 PM »
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Originally posted by Fred A-M


Does anyone have experience of a B17 Tintanium?  I read somewhere that tintanium has shock absorbing properties in addition to making the saddle a third lighter?  Or is the former the over-active imagination of some marketing bod?



if so - I fell for it.  But - my B17 Honey Titanium was comfortable the moment I sat on it.  I'm also using the carbon seat post and I find the combination (on my RST) works for me.

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2007, 09:25:40 PM »
Cheers Ian, I'm definitely going for the B17ti: which Carbon seat post do you have and does anyone else have carbon posts that they can recommend?
 

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« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2007, 09:22:42 AM »
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Originally posted by Fred A-M

: which Carbon seat post do you have ?



Fred,

I went for the one on the RST spec sheet - Mr Control Carbon.  No real reason for that model other than it was on the spec sheet.  I have a (cheap) Token carbon post on my (steel) road bike.  Again seems fine.

ian

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2007, 05:44:05 AM »
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Originally posted by freddered

 It HAS given very slightly around sit-bones but hasn't really sagged and I've not had to retension it yet. (I'm 5'11" and 14.5 stone so not a lightweight)

I love the saddle and think it was worth fitting for looks alone.



Each to his own, of-course.

But it looks hellishly uncomfortable to me. Not on the backside, but on the perenium! And as the sitbones slowly imprint, I guess that it would get worse in that the central ridge would ride up further into places not designed for pressure...

If it wasn't for the newer, more advanced saddle designs with central cut-outs, I think I would have had to sell the bike by now. Or buy a recumbent.

I hope it continues to bring you many years of pleasure!

 

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2007, 08:17:05 PM »
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If it wasn't for the newer, more advanced saddle designs with central cut-outs, I think I would have had to sell the bike by now. Or buy a recumbent.




I agree! Perhaps not as strongly as I love my bike :-) but cut-out saddles make a massive difference to not getting certain bits squished: the perineum, as BTP mentions.

I have been a bit concerned about the Brooks saddles before for just this reason: the sit bones create their own little wells which results in pressure on the squidgy bits...
BUT there are lots of happy Brooks users so they must be doing something right.

I prefer a nice hard saddle that the sit bones sit ON, leaving all the sensitive stuff out of the way. I use a Specialized Body Geometry Sport MTB (with a cut-out) and an old WTB saddle that's very hard but incredibly comfortable.
http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCEqProduct.jsp?spid=26012

I'd like to try a Brooks... if they ever come out with a vegan version!
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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2008, 12:30:56 PM »
I got a B72 one of the sprung saddles, the first day I didn't think much of it but after a few days there was a noticable improvement, now after a month it's excellent. (The wider saddles have softer leather so I suppose they break in quicker)
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The Thorn Cycling Forums needs a 'Brooks Saddles' section.

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2009, 02:08:58 AM »
Hi Arnaud,

Recently tried a nose-less ddwings saddle for my stoker(female) on my khs mtb tandem and had a go on it for myself. End result was it went in the cupboard for some one else to try later. The shape didn't work for either of us and there isn't any adjustment for width of bum cheeks to take advantage of shape of saddle.

Didn't seem to be any issue of control just comfort. So trying different saddles for her.

On my Thorn Catalyst, I've choosen to remain with Specialized Alias (size 155 for me) after trying a number of saddles (never a Brooks though). The Alias is best (for me) that I have ever used and cycled/toured for long hours - twelve to fourteen hours at a time. Might be better ones out there and it can be much about bike set up as much as saddle too. Also  I do alot of standing, stretching etc while riding.

I'm also curious whether people who get used to a saddle  (ie it becomes broken in), such as a Brooks (or even a Body Geometry Specialied),  has to do with loosing sensation in the down stairs department as much as saddle fit.

Johnny from 'Gero'
 

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2009, 09:53:10 AM »
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I'm also curious whether people who get used to a saddle  (ie it becomes broken in), such as a Brooks (or even a Body Geometry Specialied),  has to do with loosing sensation in the down stairs department as much as saddle fit.

Johnny,

I have ridden various Brooks saddles over the last 50 years and found them very comfortable after breaking in. I have never suffered from loss of sensation in the downstairs department.

By comparison a son of mine thought that saddles had to be painful and cause problems downstairs. Luckily I asked him about it and on replacing his too narrow plastic saddle with a Brooks B17 he now rides in comfort.

Julian

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2009, 01:29:44 AM »
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I have ridden various Brooks saddles over the last 50 years and found them very comfortable after breaking in. I have never suffered from loss of sensation in the downstairs department.

By comparison a son of mine thought that saddles had to be painful and cause problems downstairs. Luckily I asked him about it and on replacing his too narrow plastic saddle with a Brooks B17 he now rides in comfort.

Good to hear Julian. :). How long do you reckon did it take you to break the saddle in? What was your son riding previously?

I've never had the pleasure of trying a Brooks myself, and appreciate many people have found them irreplaceable.

I understand that the B17 is offered with anatomical cut-out, the 'Imperial'. Any thoughts or experiences on this alternative offer?

Cheers, Johnny


 

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2009, 10:25:35 AM »
Johnny,

I have been lucky, all my Brooks saddles have broken in over the first 200 - 300 miles of riding. I have applied proofide infrequently and taken care to keep the saddles dry. The breaking in results in the saddle taking a slight dip along its length and sit marks appearing where your pelvic bones press into it. It feels comfortable to sit on rather than just hard and flat. Brooks saddles are also slippy, which I like, but it may take getting used to. You don't stick to a Brooks, and you don't get hot and sweaty like on a plastic saddle.

One saddle, a Conquest, was proofided much more frequently and that one sagged one day on a wet ride, I tried tension & lacing to get it back in shape but gave up and tossed it eventually.

My son rides a Specialised Rockhopper steel framed bike. The saddle it came with was a basic plastic Specialised one which looked 'racy' and appealed to a young man. It measures 145 mm across the widest point, but it provides support for about 120 mm. The B17 replacing it measures more like 170 mm across and most of that provides support. I can see from the sit marks on the B17 that the specialised saddle was supporting my son by taking his weight on the groin between the pelvic support bones. No wonder it was causing pain and discomfort.

Another son rides the same model of bike and is happy with the narrow plastic saddle. We are all different shapes and luckily saddles are also made in a variety of shapes. There is one out there for each of us.

I have never used a saddle with an anatomical cutout, but have read many good posts regarding the ones made in America. It seems like a good idea if you are troubled by a normal saddle in that area. I would recommend trying to get a ride on a B17 equipped bike and, if you like the saddle, buy one or the Imperial with the cutout. Brooks saddles sell well secondhand if you change your mind about it.

Julian

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2009, 03:16:41 PM »
I've got 4 Brooks B-17's on the go.  They felt good out of the box and I don't notice a difference between the oldest [4yrs old] and the one I just bought. I'd give them a 8 out of 10 on the comfort department.  I ride them 6-10hrs a day on tour day after day without padded bike shorts and have a smile on my face.



I've also got a Selle Anatomica Titanico waterproof leather saddle that I would give a 9.5/10 for comfort.  The difference is after riding all day on a Brooks I know I was on a bike, but not uncomfortable...on the SA saddle as soon as you are off the bike you forget you were riding all day.

On a tour last summer I actually thought my bits had gone numb as I was feeling nothing down there.  I got off to check and it turns out I was fine it was just that my SA saddle was so comfy I wasn't getting any saddle pressure feedback.  Awesome.

http://www.mcmwin.com/saddle%20shop%20new.htm

The SA is twice the price of a Brooks B-17 though and my first one had a stretching issue, but that was from a small batch that had a defect and the manufacturer replaced it sight unseen.  The second one seems to be doing just fine.

safe riding,

Vik
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Safe riding,

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Re: Saddle related problems
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2009, 09:23:50 AM »
Hi,

Took me a while to log in, had to reset everything...
My original B17 on the RST is still going strong (10,000km) and last September I bought a new Fausto Coppi with Campagnolo gear and guess what...again a Brooks 17.
By the way, the RST is going to Ewen Gellie, frame builder in Melbourne ,to be cut up and fitted with S & S couplings as I intend to take it with me to the Pyrenees in September.
The Fausto Coppi is too highly geared for that stuff.
I need your help guys and girls...
Next October I turn 60 and if I manage to succesfully complete the Pyrenees trip I want to reward myself with something substantial, not a Harley Davidson or a Mazda MX5.
Which bike would you recommend ?

Arnaud