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stutho

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Re: XTR Brake Squeal
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2007, 03:52:52 PM »
Sorry to here you still are having problems.  I doubt it will make any difference but you could try Koolstop salmon - that what I use on the front (I also have ceramic rims).

stutho

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Re: XTR Brake Squeal
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2007, 04:39:11 PM »
One other thing to try.

I know that you have cleaned the rims with alcohol but it is also worth cleaning them with muc-off.  Some things will NOT shift with alcohol! When I clean my rims (pretty infrequently ~ every month) I alternate one time I will use muc-off next time I will uses alcohol.

I use nail brush to lather up the muc-off before rinsing it down.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2007, 08:13:29 PM by stutho »

tynevalleycommuter

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Re: XTR Brake Squeal
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2007, 05:31:03 PM »
Lewis,

I've been watching this thread with interest. I don't have XTR's but am using XT's on a tandem - they do the job pretty well, but we do have a mechanical disc on the back as back-up. That judder does sound severe and there must be a cause for it that get's around the need to clean your rims with two different kinds of cleaner on a regular basis - what happens on a long ride?!

I wonder if this would help you get to the bottom of the judder - it is essentially caused by clearance/play between the various components and/or hitting a resonant natural frequency:-

Try deliberately tightening the headset just a bit tighter than normal - so that you just start to feel a very small amount of resistence to turning the bars. Obviously don't overdo it! and reset it again afterwards. But see if it eliminates the judder. It may be that you need to go just a little bit tighter than you are used to.

Have you tried the suggested 'front brake on and check for play' test (easier with 3 hands!). I am not sure about the history of your machine, but could it be something like the crown race being a slighly sloppy fit on the fork steerer, which no amount of tightening will take out - you would feel this if you put a finger across the bottom headset cups and the fork - a thin layer of tape around the base of the steerer tube is a temporary way to eliminate this if it is the case. There are slightly different standards for crown race internal diameters which can cause this. I have had to both apply tape and open out crown races to make things work at different times in the past.

If you can definitely eliminate all traces of play in the forks and there is still a problem, then try putting some heavy grease on the v-brake bosses - keep it away from blocks and rims - it could be the the fit of the brakes onto the bosses is a bit loose, and the grease could damp it out enough to tell you if this is where the problem lies. (I realise the moving parts dont bear directly on the bosses).

Try jamming the brake on and rocking the bike back and forth and looking very carefully at the brakes to see if you can spot any signs of slackness/play. There will always be some, but it might give you some clues as to what is causing the judder.

Another thought - the XT pads are quite long and I assume the XTR ones are as well. Do you have any shorter shoes/pads you could try?

Don't know if any of this helps but might give you something useful.

Cheers,

David
 

lewisnoble

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Re: XTR Brake Squeal
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2007, 10:25:44 PM »
Thanks, guys, all advice welcome!

lewis
 

lewisnoble

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Re: XTR Brake Squeal
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2007, 01:43:16 PM »
Reviving and updating this old topic . . .

My XTRs with ceramic rims never really got sorted, unacceptable judder despite careful setting up, following advice re blocks etc. etc.

Then I noticed that some of the ceramic coating was beginning to flake off, after about 1400 miles . . .

SJSC agreed to change / rebuild them with their new carbide rims, and they were back on the bike within 3 days - superb service.

The change is quite remarkable - better braking than they ever were before, lovely 'feel' to them.  Squeal reducing and acceptable. No rain in Sheffield recently, so riding in the wet not tested yet, but first impressions are great!!

Anyone want any koolstop and Fibrax blocks?  Contact me and I will send.

Lewis
 

stutho

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Re: XTR Brake Squeal
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2007, 02:28:39 PM »
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ceramic coating was beginning to flake off


That’s not good! Any idea what coursed the premature wear?
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lewisnoble

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Re: XTR Brake Squeal
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2007, 03:52:16 PM »
No idea, really, Stuart - chips / patches started coming off the surface on the front rim - no scoring or cartridge misalighnment of cartridges as far as I could see.

I got the impression that this had happenned before - but I am delighted with the SJSC response and the 'new' brakes.
 

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Re: XTR Brake Squeal
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2007, 10:16:03 PM »
And the new carbide rims and blue blocks have finally been tested in the wet!!  Very smooth and effective, the best brakes on any bike I have ridden.  

I'm very pleased.

Lewis