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horizon

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Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« on: October 20, 2013, 12:49:04 AM »
I've lately been exploring the advantages/disadvantages of 26" wheel versus 700c wheel tourers. Given Robin's predilection for 26", theoretically there shouldn't be a 700c Club Tour. So what would a 26" Club Tour look like and how would it differ from the 700c verison and from the Sherpa? 

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 02:55:33 AM »
Ooh! <Dan rubbing hands in glee> Speculation!  :D

Right now, there are three 700C-wheeled single bikes among Thorn's offerings: The Mercury, The Audax, and the Club Tour. A look back through the archived brochure index shows the Mercury once had 26in wheels. 

It seems Thorn have gone with 26" on everything but the go-fast or traditional touring bikes.

It'll sure be interesting to see how the new Club Tour (Club Tour Mk2?) shakes things up...or not. I'm guessing the new bike will also have a minimally sloping top tube, since it is aimed at more traditional/general use and might not need the extra standover clearance of a bike used off-road.

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Dan. (...who awaits any new or revised Thorn model with great anticipation)

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 08:42:44 AM »
The XTC would probably be the equivalent of a Club Tour with 26" wheels, and unfortunately it was dropped from the range so presumably didn't sell in sufficient numbers.

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2013, 09:13:51 AM »
Migrating the Club Tour from 700c to 26" would be flying against the tide of the rest of the cycle industry.  But given their apparent stance against disc brakes, that is nothing new for Thorn bikes.  Reading the CT brochures I got the impression Thorn were somewhat reluctant to build and sell this bike i.e. "the Sherpa is a better touring bike" and the Audax is a better bike for day trips/sportives and of course Audaxes.  Why then did the CT survive in the Thorn stable? Was it down to the resistance to change of British 'traditional' touring cyclists?

So now the CT as we know it is running down and hopefully we will see something new in its place.  Is this because the market for the traditional touring bike is waning?  Surely even Thorn can't ignore market forces forever and the threat of profits being lost to other bike manufacturers cashing in on the hype around disc brakes and new tyre sizes is bound to be strong.   Andy Blance has argued that potential damage to disc brakes could be catastrophic on tour in remote regions, but the counter argument is that it is so very easy to carry a spare rotor.

If market forces are the determining factor then perhaps we could be see a cross function type CT, disc brake equipped with capacity for wide tyres, like a derailleur version of the new Mercury?  Or if they really push the boat out maybe even a 650B Club Tour?  And of course the marketing men will insist tubeless is de rigeur!   ;)
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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2013, 08:19:15 PM »
Worryingly? ( 26" wheel owners ! ) A majority of 2014 mountainbikes that were previously on 26" wheels are now on 650B wheel platform. Could there be limited options for replacement rims (with a braking surface ) in the future ?
 

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2013, 09:01:13 PM »

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Worryingly? ( 26" wheel owners ! ) A majority of 2014 mountainbikes that were previously on 26" wheels are now on 650B wheel platform. Could there be limited options for replacement rims (with a braking surface ) in the future ?
Hi Brummie!

By happy coincidence, I found both my late Sherpa (a 2011 Mk2) and my current Nomad (2012 Mk2) have brake bosses and clearances that would accommodate 650B wheels and tires. A Grand Bois Lierre on 650B rims has the same outside diameter as my 26x2.0 Schwalbe Duremes, and the v-brake pads will reach nicely.

See: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=3893.0

Hopefully, similar circumstances will obtain for all Thorn owners with 26in wheels.

Happy day!

Best,

Dan.

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2013, 09:26:07 PM »
Cheers Dan ! Interesting observation regarding the brake bosses... will have to get the tape measure out :)
 

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2013, 03:00:52 PM »
That's the advantage of following the leader  ;D (i've got a Sherpa mk2).

Thanks for the information Dan !

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2013, 03:27:24 PM »
It would be an XTC with less clearance I'd say...the XTC has very long stays/rear clearance which gives it a rather long turning circle and so it's not "sporty" enough probably for the Audax market.

As audaxes are done on 700c wheels not sure there's a market for it as people may not see the point.

Let's see how long the 650b craze lasts...I wouldn't be surprised if 29ers will be a new standard, but 650b is such a marginal difference to justify new forks etc...

Pedal to the metal! Wind, rain, hills, braking power permitting ;)

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2013, 03:48:53 PM »
It is interesting to define what "standard" means. Most big tourers are advised to go for 26in when choosing their bikes because it is supposed to be the world's standard, but as you know, in Europe and I guess US/Canada, anything can be found in any bike shop.

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2013, 04:56:53 PM »
in Europe and I guess US/Canada, anything can be found in any bike shop.

Funny, what shops have and what they don't! My big Workcycles bike came with Dunlop valves, which are the same diameter as Schraeder. How about some inner tubes, Schraeder valve and 622x47 size? ... nothing doing! My LBS is pretty small but they have some nice stuff for sure. Presta!

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2013, 08:11:56 PM »

Let's see how long the 650b craze lasts...I wouldn't be surprised if 29ers will be a new standard, but 650b is such a marginal difference to justify new forks etc...



I don't think the 650B is a 'craze' that'll disapear - All the major tyre brands are making 650B (mtb) tyres - Most the American MTB brands have either replaced their 26" wheel models with 650B for 2014 ( the only exceptions appear to be entry level hardtails & downhill rigs ) - It's just a way to sell more bikes ! If the 'marketting men' & the magazines say that 650B is bigger/better/ faster people will want to buy into it... Nowt wrong with 26" BUT there just maybe less choice for them in the future. Like 27" rims & tyres.
 

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 08:40:32 PM »
They may of course be doing all of us a favour. it doesn't matter whether they sell 650B as better (e.g. faster), the fact remains that it could potentially be the Golden Mean. If road/touring bike makers also switched from 700c to 650B then we have a common wheel for all frames. Of course, most 700c bikebuilders may not like a smaller wheel but Thorn have managed to persuade lots of people that 26" is as good as 700c for most things (and 650B is even that bit bigger). While I am happy with just the two sizes with their different potentials, the switch to 650B (inasmuch as we cannot do much about it) may not be wholly bad. 

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2013, 01:40:13 AM »
How would a 26" Club Tour differ from the Sherpa?
 

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Re: Why not a 26" Club Tour?
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2013, 10:15:16 AM »
How would a 26" Club Tour differ from the Sherpa?

That's what I want to know.