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Hamish

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Nomad tyre clearance.
« on: October 02, 2013, 10:40:26 PM »
Does anyone know what the maximum tyre size would be for a Nomad Mk2

I am thinking off road tyres now.  I was considering building a Nomad for bike packing and general off road touring (single track cross country type stuff)
 

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Re: Nomad tyre clearance.
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 11:04:53 PM »
Hi Hamish!

Looking at the current (Issue 27, Fall 2013) Nomad brochure ( http://www.sjscycles.com/thornpdf/ThornRavenNomadBroHiRes.pdf , pg.10), the largest tire shown on the Nomad is a 2.25in/57.15mm Schwalbe Marathon EX-- pictured on a bike with mudguards.

My currently mounted SKS P55 mudguards measure an actual 56.5mm at the chainstays, clearing the inside of the chainstays by about 3mm each side. I fear a wider tire could be iffy for clearance if you ran into mud.

I suppose it might be possible to fit even larger tires sans mudguards, but 2.25in for sure.

Schwalbe do offer several tires with a published cross-section of 2.35in/59.69mm, which would require an additional 0.1in/2.54mm in radius and overall width, or 0.05in/1.27mm each side in additional clearance -- That might be pretty tight, 'cos the chainstays converge as they near the BB.

You did mention...
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I am thinking off road tyres now.
A correspondent tells me he has been running Schwalbe's Nobby Nic HS 411 ( http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/off-road_tires/nobby_nic_hs411 ) in 2.25in width without mudguards, but I have not seen the clearances for myself.

Hmm. Depending on the design and placement of knobbies, you might be able to run slightly wider tires without mudguards.

Hope something in the above proves helpful.

Best,

Dan.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2013, 11:37:02 PM by Danneaux »

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Re: Nomad tyre clearance.
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 11:49:28 PM »
Thanks Dan

I think 2.25 should be fine.... 

I am planning on juggling my bikes and bits about a bit!

So.... Bikepacking on a 29er or a suitabley equiped Nomad?
 

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Re: Nomad tyre clearance.
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 12:26:56 AM »
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So.... Bikepacking on a 29er or a suitabley equiped Nomad?
I suppose the best of all worlds would be a "29er" Nomad with Rohloff drivetrain and approved ratios equal to what one would get with 26in wheels!

Lacking that ideal, for the most part, the choice currently boils down to...
Larger-diameter wheels and a derailleur drivetrain
vs.
Smaller diameter (and therefore stronger) wheels and a Rohoff drivetrain (wrapped in a Nomad frame).

The increasing popularity of large-diameter 650 and "29in" (really 700C with fat tires) for cross-country use is due in part to the bigger wheels' easier rolling off-road. The larger wheels/tires are less apt to drop into holes and such and more easily mount small obstacles. The downside is somewhat reduced strength due to the larger wheel diameter (spoke count being equal) and the difficulty in gearing acceptably low given that same larger wheel diameter. The 12-36 cassette was developed with this in mind and -- depending on tire width/diameter -- gives 29ers gearing roughly equal to a 26in bike with an 11-32 cassette and the same chainrings.

This difference in effective gearing is something to keep in mind if a Rohloff is used, as such low-equivalent gears could push the Rohloff beyond its approved ratios.

Going the 26in-wheel route with the Nomad gives one a very robust suspension-capable hardtail frame, stronger smaller-diameter wheels, easily configured low gearing and overall gear range, and the benefit of using a low-maintenance robust Rohloff drivetrain, albeit with something less than the widest tires available for the job, but in commonly available sizes.

In some ways, it is a difficult choice because some of the benefits are mutually exclusive.

If budget were not a consideration and I had my choice, I would choose the Nomad for it's reduced maintenance, easy shift sequence, and absence of derailleurs/exposed mechs that are more prone to damage and fouling with vegetation and dirt, mud, and debris. For reliability and reduced maintenance in the back-of-beyond off-road, it would be my choice for bikepacking cross-country -- and is how I use my own Nomad on occasion. If budget were a primary concern and I didn't mind the increased vulnerability and maintenance of an exposed derailleur drivetrain, then any number of 29ers are available, some with full-suspension and even discs and do have the advantage (slight or somewhat more) of the larger-diameter wheels in cross-country terrain.

Where the term "bikepacking" comes into play as a niche pursuit or sub-genre or touring, it also increasingly means carrying loads in nonstandard ways (see: http://www.bikepacking.net/ ) i.e. tied to the bike in the form of dry sacks, sausage rolls, and frame bags and possibly not in panniers mounted on conventional racks. For true bikepacking, the bicycle's means for readily carrying such loads can be an important consideration and factors such as the size of the main triangle opening come more into play.

I think the choice between the two really depends on what characteristics you value most for your intended use.

Best,

Dan.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2013, 12:31:36 AM by Danneaux »

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Re: Nomad tyre clearance.
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013, 12:47:04 AM »
The Nomad Mk2 frame is supposed to be able to run 2.3" tyres I believe. In Central Australia I ran 2.15" Schwalbe Marathon Mondials with SKS 55mm guards. They were fine with good clearance. I'm not sure how much more would have been possible, but I'd be very wary of much more than this if you had any likelihood of muddy conditions. It depends on just where you are touring but in Australia the outback dirt roads can develop the adhesive qualities of semi-cured concrete with just a 10mm fall of rain  :-[

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Re: Nomad tyre clearance.
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 06:50:33 PM »
Hi I run 2.3" and have good room around tyre for mud..

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Re: Nomad tyre clearance.
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2013, 03:42:23 PM »
Hi Guys. I've just swapped up to 2.1" Mondials from 2.0" duremes. The 55mm guards where already fitted to my used Nomad when I bought it. Even with the 2.0" tires heavy heavy mud brought me to a standstill by jamming any clearance I had.
I haven't fitted the 55mm guards back on yet but I will be doing some "manual adjusting" of the guards to create more clearance :) Then testing in the worst clay I can find. I think I will end up making some DIY guards in the end though.
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Re: Nomad tyre clearance.
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2013, 08:49:27 PM »
The mudguards are the problem, not the frame clearance which was what the OP was asking about.

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Re: Nomad tyre clearance.
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2013, 06:31:48 AM »
This is why I mounted my mudguards like this!



And here



But how that I have smaller tyre's on (2.25) i'm about to fit a pair of 60mm guards!

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Re: Nomad tyre clearance.
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2013, 07:25:38 AM »
Pete,

For use truly off-road and in dirt, clay, and so on, I think those are the best 'guards I've seen for the purpose, and I remain just as impressed as the first time I saw them.

You've really done a very nice job mounting them as well.

Can't wait to see Tom in his next guise but I'll miss this one!

Best,

Dan.