ended up it was the dura ace bottom bracket outer bearings
The bottom bracket is always the first suspect in any noise, wherever it seems to come from. I had one bike, a beautiful thing handfilleted by Peugeot, but a wretched harsh bike, in which only two things ever went wrong. Once was obvious from knowing it had been made about 1988 in France, with a Sachs-Huret gear train, including an oval chainring: it ate gear trains. But the other thing that went wrong was that the bottom bracket would start squeaking and need tightening vastly beyond the torque spec. I finally fixed it by fitting up a long pipe wrench to the bottom bracket socket, parking the bike against a pole to block the opposite pedal and standing up with both feet on the tube lengthening the wrench handle.
That bike, in other hands, has been fully rebuilt at least twice that I know of, and cosmetically restored to original (it was a very rare model -- I'm not surprised, as it was grotesquely overpriced and underdesigned even if beautiful), but the bottom bracket soldiers on because nobody can remove it...
Stupid little thing, but it cost a good deal of money at the LBS before I took a decisive hand— er, boot to effect a permanent (heh-heh) solution.
Andre Jute