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triaesthete

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Things I'd really like Thorn to make.....
« on: August 06, 2013, 12:18:29 am »

Going on from No's thru axle fork thread, I thought we could broaden this out to a general customer wish list for things in the Thorn idiom that they do not currently produce..

I'd really like  a Mk2 handlebar for the Berthoud shifter,  shaped just like the FSA Vero Compact. http://www.fullspeedahead.com/products/201/Vero-Compact-Handlebar

The current offering is just to reachy and too deep for me. I like all the hand positions to be easily usable at a comfortable back angle. ie to have 8 positions on the bars (your mileage may vary  ::)) available without massive torso movement. With these the drops are no longer ornamental. I've come to realise that if you don't use your drops it's because they are too deep or too low. I had to try lots of bars to work this out.... certainly make going uphill into headwinds easier.  A comfort drop bar?

Ian

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Re: Things I'd really like Thorn to make.....
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2013, 12:38:18 am »
Yep, Ian, agreed. For the exact-same reasons, I went for Bontrager (Trek) SSR VR-C 26.0 GC: http://store.trekbikes.com/product/bontrager+ssr+vr-c+26.0+gc+handlebar.do?sortby=ourPicks
More on it here:
http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=5019.msg26677#msg26677
Pics here: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4523.msg28317#msg28317
They've proven to be everything I'd hoped, and I can -- and do! -- use the drops frequently. They are a compact Maes bend.

Try as I might, I just could not get used to the deep open-drop Zoom Anatomics that came standard on my Sherpa and then the Nomad. The Bontrager Compacts are to me everything you (and I) asked for in terms of usefulness and hand positions.

Probably the closest to a "comfort" drop handlebar would be a randonneur bend. I like my Nitto Randonneurs very much, but they do flare a lot, meaning they are 45cm at the bottom-centers...and only 37cm across the brake hoods and a shallow 125mm drop. John Saxby's favorites are the Velo-Orange Randonneur 'bars that are available in a much wider 48cm size and medium 130mm drop. They are wider at the hoods if you need that. The beauty of Randonneur 'bars is that flare that allows a wider stance on the drops, a more aerodynamic position on the brake hoods, that nice flare to prevent wrist interference, a nice ramp and lower run, shallow drop, and that characteristic "uplift" at the top corners tha is so, so comfortable. Link here: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/grand-cru-rando-handlebar.html

All the best,

Dan. (...who really likes your "Thorn Please Make" topic)
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Re: Things I'd really like Thorn to make.....
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2013, 01:05:55 am »

Dan, the Veros flare just a little, maybe 20mm each side. Personally I prefer narrow bars with lots of hand placement options and a horizontal transition onto the hoods. I've never wished for more than 44cm width.

They just make a nice, properly usable drop bar with the tops at saddle height. Wrong to think of them as drops really as the main advantage seems to be not having to drop ones torso in order to use the lower positions. Instead they just provide more angular variation for hands and arms. I find riding on the tops with thumbs touching the stem and arms in front of body to be more aero and comfortable than the drops in practice.

How does that upsweep on the Nitto tops work, it seems counterintuitive, as if it would cause an elbows out stance?

Perhaps they could be named the Thorn practical multi position bar.
Ian

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Re: Things I'd really like Thorn to make.....
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2013, 01:33:34 am »
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How does that upsweep on the Nitto tops work, it seems counterintuitive, as if it would cause an elbows out stance?
Hi Ian!

You've stated things well. I'd be absolutely lost without my (shallow) drops!

As for the Nitto upsweep, it certanly encourages elbow bending, but more inline and not so much out, counterintuitive as that might seem. The brake levers are also flared, so the wrist angle is very comfortable as well. I often find myself riding on that upsweep, just back of the brake hoods. It adds a little bit of height and just feels "right". A very hard-to-describe handlebar, but very comfortable in practice.
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I find riding on the tops with thumbs touching the stem and arms in front of body to be more aero and comfortable than the drops in practice.
I have another for you, though I'm almost reluctant to share it, seeing as how it came from Danneaux's Misspent Youth when immortality was assured  8) and he laughed in the face of Danger -- ha!  ;D

<ahem>

If one chooses a 45cm c-t Nitto Randonneur 'bar (the one that measures 37cm at the brake hoods, c-t) and uses care, it is possible on smooth and flat roads to place one's forearms (just ahead of the elbow) atop the brake hoods and clasp the fingers of both hands together, effectively wedging said forearms into a "phantom" facsimile of pursuit 'bars. It works a treat and makes for a very easy-to-maintain flat-backed aero position that can be held for close to 100km at a time. Of course, the brakes aren't accessible until you break position and shifting requires the same. Steering is accomplished by leaning.

Mature Dan reckons this is a Very Dangerous Practice and so should not be attempted :-X hence this well-meant "warning" for others to avoid trying :-\ else tragedy could result in the space of a moment.  :o :'( :P.

All the best,

Dan. (...who shudders to think how he once used to routinely side-draft [ride in the bow-wake of] city buses to shave seconds off his daily commute time-trial  :o)

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Re: Things I'd really like Thorn to make.....
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2013, 08:34:57 am »
I can't stand drops. Don't know how you get in them. Some bull horns with levers that work with bar end shifters would be nice.

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Re: Things I'd really like Thorn to make.....
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2013, 08:58:33 am »
I have shallow drops on my audax and they are fantastic. I can actually use the drops for extended periods of time.

Personal wish list, a Reynolds 953 (or even 931) version of the Audax. With Discs!

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Re: Things I'd really like Thorn to make.....
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2013, 10:00:25 am »
Hi All,
How about a LTD run of Thorn Sterling in some nice strong light 853 Reynolds tubing.
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