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energyman

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Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« on: June 30, 2013, 04:46:10 PM »
After over a year of trying to get used to a B17 I am nearly giving up on trying to get the seat leather to stop being slippery.  At present I have a seat cover on all the time.  
Does anyone have any tips (not involving surgery !) to make the seat sittable ?

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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 05:11:03 PM »
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Does anyone have any tips (not involving surgery !) to make the seat sittable ?
Hi, Chris!

To a certain extent, "They all do that" best describes a Brooks' slipperiness.

That said, I've found changing the other part of the interface -- riding shorts, tights, or trousers -- helps a lot. Some blends of lycra, especially, are just "squirmy" atop a Brooks. Others with a coarser weave aren't nearly as slippery. I've found wool shorts (as used "back in the day") are fine.

I've also found saddle position makes a great deal of difference. If I have it spot-on, then I don't slide around much. If the saddle is too far nose-up or -down for me, then I slide. Saddle height being a bit "off" can contribute also. Wearing-in the saddle helps, as the little dents one's bottom makes help locate a person on the saddle. I think riding tends to wear off some of the initial surface polish. Sweating a lot in hot summer temperatures helps, sometimes too well!

Some people tend to apply Brooks' Proofide saddle dressing a bit too generously or too often, and that can make things more slippery till it wears off. Still, it is the top grain (skin side) of the hide that really makes for a slippery surface.

I did see a sanded Brooks one time. I was a little horrified till I realized it was a last-ditch attempt to make the saddle usable. The rider claimed it helped a lot, but had to be re-done periodically as it wore smooth again.

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Dan.

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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 05:15:10 PM »
Oh! Chris! An additional note...

If the saddle is the dark green Brooks, then the color is due to dye and the saddle will feel much like a black or honey-colored one. If it is the apple green color, they can be especially slippery; the surface treatment seems different in some way. They even look glossy out of the box: http://brianphillips.co.nz/zen/images/b17%20apple.jpg

Not sure what to suggest if that is the case....

Best,

Dan.
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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 05:21:13 PM »
It is the apple green one.  I tried sanding and it did get better but not for long.  Thanks for the inclination tips that will be my next tryout.
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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 10:57:34 PM »
I used Nikwax (the leather boot tretment) on my last brooks to stop me slipping. Just a bit now and again. 
 

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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 11:12:23 PM »
if you tilt the nose up it will stop you sliding.
mind you thats where the expression came from when riding hard and fast.

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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2013, 04:34:17 AM »
Yeah as far as I can tell the saddle is meant to be slippery and the game is just to get the tilt precise. The saddle is a shallow sort of U shape so there ought to be an angle where you slide back to the middle of the saddle instead of sliding off either the front or the back. The advantage of the slippery surface is that is prevent chafing. That's the theory as I understand it!

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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2013, 08:20:04 PM »
FWIW, my B17 (dark brown) is now set to that the central spot (the centre of the shallow depression, mid-saddle) is pretty much horizontal.  So, there's a self-centring tendency for fore-and-aft motion.  Seems to work just fine for me, though it took some fiddling over the course of 2 - 3 rides for me to find it last year.  (Never occurred to me to resort to sanding, Nikwax, etc; or, now that wax has been mentioned, something like a hard kick-wax from the cross-country skiing bin, maybe Green Special or Polar.) (!!??)  Good luck!

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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2013, 07:44:03 AM »
In my experience (I've now got three Brooks saddles on my various bikes) it will become less slippery. Getting it wet a couple of times helps and riding over a protracted period also helps. In the mean time I agree with Jags, tip the nose up slightly and it'll stop you slipping forward.

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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2013, 01:27:38 PM »
Are you slippng in one direction?  If so adjust the angle of the saddle to compensate.

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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2013, 05:35:40 PM »
I used Nikwax (the leather boot treatment) on my last brooks to stop me slipping. Just a bit now and again.  

Thanks - I have treated it a couple of times with the Nikwax and it did get better but after a few rides it was slippy again.  Finally bought a saddle cover (Coarse Nylon type from Brooks) and it is now rideable but I can't see the green leather - c'est la vie !


Oh yes also adjusted the nose angle VERY slightly !
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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 11:15:52 AM »
At last I think I have sussed it.  A locally sourced (www.sheepskinshop.co.uk)
sheepskin woolly side up.  A 10 km ride this sunny morn has confirmed it.
No problem with rain etc as it hardly ever rains in England ! ;)
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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 05:01:08 PM »
Thanks - I have treated it a couple of times with the Nikwax and it did get better but after a few rides it was slippy again.  Finally bought a saddle cover (Coarse Nylon type from Brooks) and it is now rideable but I can't see the green leather - c'est la vie !


Oh yes also adjusted the nose angle VERY slightly !

Brooks say Proofhide only. They know what they are talking about.
Let it get wet in the rain and dry in an airing cupboard and start again.
Whilst I am not a great reader of instructions I always feel angry when people mistreat Brooks saddles!
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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2014, 06:07:41 PM »
Yeah as far as I can tell the saddle is meant to be slippery and the game is just to get the tilt precise. The saddle is a shallow sort of U shape so there ought to be an angle where you slide back to the middle of the saddle instead of sliding off either the front or the back. The advantage of the slippery surface is that is prevent chafing. That's the theory as I understand it!

I totally agree with this. In the recent deluges we have been having in UK  I resorted to riding with my Brooks saddle cover on. (a thing I don't normally do) After a couple of rides I have a sore arse because the cover prevents the natural back and forward slide. A combination of tilt adjustment and tension adjustment (very little and gradual) with the front bolt is everything and I find I have needed to do this several times with both my B17s from new as they develop the dip.
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Re: Brooks B17 (Green) Seat is too slippery
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2014, 06:48:20 PM »
I know we are all different and have different preferences, but what's wrong with it being slippy?
I like it slippy. I thought that was how it should be?
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