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Rohloff oil leaks ?
« on: May 20, 2013, 10:32:57 PM »
From what I've read, a lot of rohloffs are not 100 % oil tight.
Mine has started to leak recently from the non-sprocket side.
Its hard to tell how much has leaked out or exactly where the leak is from, but it *looks* like the seal on the axle.
Anyone else got this type of leak ? My hub is about 12500 kms, 2 * oil changed.

(I often carry the bike with this side down in the boot of the car)


I also posted this on another forum and the replies along the lines of "it doesnt matter too much, so long as there is a coating of oil on the gears"

Does anyone top up their oil between changes ? Is there any way to check how much oil is in it ?
thanks
-steve

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Re: Rohloff oil leaks ?
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2013, 12:12:37 AM »
Hi Steve,
A little oil is all OK, there is a few places that the oil leak maybe coming from?

#The Oil seal like you have said, this is all OK as long as its only a little? Do you wash and clean your bike weekly? or yearly? if its weekly and you see a lot then you need to have it looked at.

#Also the gasket inside the gear change mech can leak if the end plate bolts are loose? Check the bolts?

#Because you lay it on this side it can also leak out of the axle! there is a small hole for the hub to breath, this is all OK as there will always be some oil still in the hub when you change you oil.

I have had my Hub leak when I had my Bike on the back of a friends car! because of the wind around the hub when we where driving this is all OK.

I hope this is of help to you. I have been running with Rohloff Speedhub's for over 8 years how. Lot's of hard Mountain Biking in Rain, Mud, and Hot Sun  ;)

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Re: Rohloff oil leaks ?
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2013, 02:17:21 AM »
Hi Steve,

By happy coincidence, Vikram Banerjee (Vik) late of this Forum, posted about Rohloff left-side seal replacement in his blog earlier this month. Even if you don't wish to tackle the task yourself, it may be helpful to read:
http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/replacing-rohloff-hub-oil-seals/

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Dan.

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Re: Rohloff oil leaks ?
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2013, 04:02:50 AM »
Hi Steve,

By happy coincidence, Vikram Banerjee (Vik) late of this Forum, posted about Rohloff left-side seal replacement in his blog earlier this month. Even if you don't wish to tackle the task yourself, it may be helpful to read:
http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/replacing-rohloff-hub-oil-seals/

Best,

Dan.

Great find, Dan. That seems like a simple enough job when someone takes you by the hand and shows you exactly how to do it, complete with detailed parts and tools list.

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Re: Rohloff oil leaks ?
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2013, 10:51:16 PM »
Thanks a lot.
Its not too bad a leak. I cleaned it all up and went a wee 40 k spin, on a nice dry night and no more has come from it. Its obviously pretty slight.

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Re: Rohloff oil leaks ? Or Perfume d'Rohloff?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2013, 04:04:07 PM »
Thanks a lot.
Its not too bad a leak. I cleaned it all up and went a wee 40 k spin, on a nice dry night and no more has come from it. Its obviously pretty slight.


What you saw was most likely the change of the seasons. A Rohloff gearbox is by deliberate design not airtight. Those paper seals are not a symptom of cheap design but a deliberate air/oil interchange. A Rohloff is supposed to "mist out" through the seals if the change in air pressure gets too big to equalize through the vent hole in the axle. Without some way of breathing, including "overflow" breathing a few times a year for big changes of temperature  and air pressure, the air pressure building up inside the hub could drive off the layer of oil on all the gears on which the hub really depends for its longevity. It's not likely to happen except under really extreme circumstances, but Bernd Rohloff designed his hub to be used only in extreme circumstances; our comparatively light use is just a fortunate happenstance.

I keep my bike in heated space and every year at the beginning of the winter and the beginning of summer there is an actual puddle of oil under it, which frightened me sh*tless the first time I saw it, but it's just an extreme form of the same thing you see, because I always put in the full 25ml of oil in the individual oil kit that comes with a syringe, rather than the adequate but tricky 15ml the guys with bulk oil measure out.

You can see the mist of oil sometimes on very warm days on hard hills as fine droplets on the outside of a recently cleaned hub. The toothbrush guys, like Dan, probably miss it, but the more casual cleaners like me notice at the once- or twice-yearly wipe-and-dash that there's a buildup of oil on the outside of the Rohloff. It's natural, a function of how it works. Even if your hub appears clean, wipe a spoke near the hub with a tissue and, unless you ride in a place with loads of road/exhaust grime, you should be able to just niff the distinctive Rohloff Oil smell on the tissue. That's the mist of Perfume d'Rohloff.

Generally speaking, a Rohloff is a piece of German agricultural machinery; it's a mistake, but a natural one, to regard it as an heirloom of fine jewelry. My rule now, in my four year of use, with a Rohloff that has outlived all my Shimano internal gear hubs, and as a member of various groups where we probably hear of every Rohloff failure ever, including all the false alarms, is this:

If your Rohloff ain't actually broke and not working, it ain't worth worrying about.

A good corollary is: If in doubt about your Rohloff, ask on the forum. Someone is bound to know.

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Re: Rohloff oil leaks ?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2013, 10:12:19 PM »
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Well said

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Re: Rohloff oil leaks ? Or Perfume d'Rohloff?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2013, 10:19:45 PM »


If your Rohloff ain't actually broke and not working, it ain't worth worrying about.

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Re: Rohloff oil leaks ? Or Perfume d'Rohloff?
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 01:56:43 AM »
A triple negative?
That means it must be true?
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Heh-heh. No triple neg: It's a neg, a subsidiary phrase with the comma implied, and a no-panic instruction which isn't a negative at all.

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