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Andybg

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New Bike Trailer
« on: March 10, 2013, 08:12:57 AM »

Spotted this on ebay - looks like a new offering in the trailer options. At 13 to 18k certainly not the lightest trailers in the world but it is nice to see more options to choose from.



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHADOW-BICYCLE-TRAILERS-bike-touring-cargo-top-quality-stylish-strong-steel-UK-/171003864391?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item27d09fe547

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Re: New Bike Trailer
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2013, 09:31:01 AM »
Well it looks good apart from the tow point! it's too high all the good trailers are mounted off/from the rear axle  ???

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Re: New Bike Trailer
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2013, 10:12:11 AM »
At 13 to 18k certainly not the lightest trailers

 :o :o

Well, most certainly not. It's like carrying a second bicycle. Much better to go for the 3kg Extrawheel, or kit up a Big Dummy to carry six panniers if you need extra load capacity. A flat-bed trailer's only real advantage on tour is to carry your pooch, or to carry a slab of beer in to the campsite  ;)

Even then the Xtracycle/Big Dummy can do a lot



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Re: New Bike Trailer
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2013, 06:05:34 PM »
Thanks for the heads-up, Andy; always good to see more options out there.

There's little really new in bicyclig, but one of the earliest modern examples of this design is the Blue Sky bicycle cart, originally developed here in Eugene by Gary Hale, a very nice fellow of 35 years' acquaintance. They're still available here: http://www.yellowjersey.org/bluesky.html ...and direct, here... http://blueskycyclecarts.com/ A little history on them: http://www.halebikes.com/history/index.html and Gary'shere: http://www.halebikes.com/index.html He doesn't do much building anymore, but his fillet-brazed customs were works of art in the late 1970s-early 1980s, and were all created using human- and pedal-powered tools including milling machines and lathes of his own design. Go to the Photos section for <ahem> "vintage" touring pics showing things as they were when I started touring: http://www.halebikes.com/pictures/bike1776/index.html

Carts of this sort that place their load and fulcrum on the seatpost have little effect on the ride of the bicycle, but do have a couple drawbacks, depending on how the design is executed: 1) They can block access to top of the rear rack (if present), and 2) they do have some quirks in how they trail on tight corners. Nothing that results in bad overall handling, but in my experience they can clip a curb in tight turns and it is a bit hard to judge how they will pass between bollards if there is a curve leading through them.

This design is great for handling really heavy loads, and seems to avoid the quirky bike handling that can sometimes result from attaching a heavily-loaded trailer to the rear axle of a bike with very light rear stays. On the other hand, trailers of this boom-type design almost always have two wheels. If you go off-road or on very rough roads, this means you have a three-track vehicle and it can be awfully hard to miss a pothole or avoid big rocks. If the bike misses, it is almost a sure bet one of the trailer wheels will catch it. I prefer single-wheel trailer myself for my rough/off-road touring, though I have built a couple two-wheelers that work very nicely for smooth-road touring and getting groceries (they use weatherproof storage boxes and predate the BicycleRevolution trailer that was also produced locally).

Boom-type, seatpost-secured trailers are great for heavy roads and relatively smooth roads, and really shine in that application if you need to haul kids, heavy crates, or gallons of milk to market. It is another case of "horses for courses". Thanks, Andy, for the trigger to my Blue Sky memories!

All the best,

Dan.(...who thinks "Nothin' but Blue Skys [sic]" could have been The Bike Trailer Song in Eugene, Oregon in the '70s and '80s)

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Re: New Bike Trailer
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 07:33:16 PM »
Boom-type, seatpost-secured trailers are great for heavy roads and relatively smooth roads, and really shine in that application if you need to haul kids, heavy crates, or gallons of milk to market. It is another case of "horses for courses".

My trailer is an old and heavy (about 15 Kg) seatpost-secured trailer. It was designed for use on mopeds, and was quite a popular item in France when I bought it second-hand about 30 years ago.

Excellent for heavy or bulky utility loads - my record so far is about 120 Kg of sand, but only for a short distance. Running empty, it knocks 5 to 10% off my speed in level/moderately hilly terrain. But I wouldn't like to use it when touring in hilly areas.

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Re: New Bike Trailer
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2013, 12:17:13 AM »
Having towed two kids and shopping in a chain-stay mounted trailer, a kid on a seat-post mounted tagalong, touring loads in a BOB and touring loads on an Extrawheel, I can assuredly advise that the least feedback into your ride and greatest control comes with a trailer mounted on the wheel axle or near to this. It is also far better if the load has a short axis from the tow pivot point.

My Extrawheel was the easiest to handle - but it usually has not had more than ~15kgs aboard. The Winchester Original (later Koolstop) with the chain-stay mount, was very stable even when carrying two kids ~3 & 4 (ie. about 45kgs load weight). For kids, and many loads, the plus of many chain-stay mounts is that you can drop the bike down and it has no impact upon the passenger/load - not so for a seat-post mount, or a rigid axle-mount like the BOB & Extrawheel..

For touring and general load-carrying, any trailer has the disadvantages of:
1. On steep descents, often trying to overtake the bike as you are braking. This leads to a jack-knife situation. Brakes on the trailer could help prevent this; in remote touring I have heard of friends roping a branch to drag behind, or having fellow rider walk down the hill behind with a rope to hold the trailer in-line  :o;
2. On steep climbs (especially on gravel roads) the reduced weight on the rear tyre can lead to loss of traction and "spinning out"..... a sudden halt.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2013, 01:36:11 AM by il padrone »

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Re: New Bike Trailer
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2013, 12:48:10 PM »
Stumbled upon a nice video showing City trailer from the Scottish company Carry Freedom. Looks perfect for those in the folding bike world of those wanting to easily take a trailer on a flight ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELYblfA9JqE

There is also the Carry Freedom Y-Frame Small and Large recommended for heavier loads ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kON_yiLau38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmXGfQEd9u8

The company's web site is here ...

http://www.carryfreedom.com/

Edinburgh based Dave McCraw has good reviews with excellent pictures on his blog ...

http://mccraw.co.uk/carry-freedom-y-frame/
http://mccraw.co.uk/life-with-four-wheels/
http://mccraw.co.uk/tag/carry-freedom-y-frame/

I like the design and the Y-Frame Small. It looks like a great option for touring (or urban cargo use). Looks like it is best for road touring and city use. The site itself suggests the extrawheel, Bob Yak or Weber for off-road use adding that above 15 kg, 'the two wheel trailer rules'. Of course the single or two-wheeled trailer decision would be based on the load to be carried and the terrain. Links to other trailers ...

http://www.extrawheel.com/
http://www.bobgear.com/bike-trailers
http://www.weber-products.de/produkte/trailer-systeme/

What I like about the Carry Freedom range and philosophy is that the designer, Nick Lobnitz, has made available plans for the Bamboo Trailer. All he asks for is a small donation and feedback on how it was used.

Great idea for your next overseas tour ... build it when you get there and leave it with the locals when you leave. I guess you could use a variety of materials not just bamboo!

http://www.carryfreedom.com/bamboo.html  :)
« Last Edit: October 13, 2013, 08:38:02 PM by StuntPilot »