cheers Andy but i was more thinking of outdoor shops with old stock.
i dont like buying second hand stuff unless i know the previous owner .
i have two great tents akto and mountain hardware spear gt2 but my ideal tent woluld be hilleberg nallo 2 gt.
basically a good size tent thats light and a snip to pitch,
mind you i'm only dreaming i cant afford to buy a box of matches at the moment
but no harm finding out were all these old stock are hiding theres bound to be shops with loads of tents they never sold.