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JWestland

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Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« on: April 12, 2012, 05:41:18 AM »
So I need narrower handlebars in the long run, which means I need new tape too. Cinelli cork gel tape is supposed to be good. As my xtc is blue I thought the denim might look good on it after all this chasing eBay for months I want to "pimp" it a little.

However tape stains light colours are definitely a no no and black is most practical. Does anybody have experience with dark coloured non black tape? Does it stay looking ok or it anything other than black a recipe for disaster? :)
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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 06:16:06 AM »
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Does anybody have experience with dark coloured non black tape?
I used a very dark blue on one of my bikes for awhile. It wasn't navy, but pretty dark and it matched the headtube color panel. It worked nicely.

I finally went with MorganGrips on that bike. Made in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho once upon a timet they're no longer in business. They are closer to the Deep Royal color of the head tube than the Ice Metallic Blue of the bike itself, but work well overall I think. Since you also have a blue bike (your xTC is more of a Candy Sapphire Blue in House of Kolors' chart, or a flamboyant blue), you might want to check it out to see. Take a look at: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4143.msg18861#msg18861 The A'ME brake hoods match. I used blue metallic nail polish to paint the SR La Prade seatpost flutes and seatpost top to color-key it to the main frame. You may wish to check out nail polish (varnish)  as a touch-up. I got pretty close with a color in the Wet 'n' Wild line of nail polishes.

By the way, I still have a polyurethane saddle cover for wet weather that matches the grips exactly. Too blue, or "Tube Lou" and a friend calls it. I always feared the name would stick to the bike, but didn't.  ;)

Hope this helps!

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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 07:01:49 AM »
Tx :) LOL Too blue eh? Tesco plastic bag in my case...not fancy but does the job ;)

I might get lucky with model paint for touch up that's what SJS sells...not in my XTC colour alas ;(
However I can phone them/Humbrol at some point see if there's a close match.

I covered up my bling red Charge Hob with nailpolish. It kinda does the job but not a perfect match of course.

Looking snazzy lovely bikes with lovely setup to match :) Mine was clearly a working bike, which is fine (it's a tourer) just feel like doing it up for some reason. But it has to be practical...stains ain't ;)

Oho blue hood covers! Where did you get these and do they fit a Shimano 105 flight deck?

So...dark blue is OK then? It won't show every stain? As generally with sweat, dark gloves etc there will be some dirt being rubbed onto the tape...and it looks like the XTC will be the work commute bike no more hauling a heavy back pack :)
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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 07:24:33 AM »
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Oho blue hood covers! Where did you get these and do they fit a Shimano 105 flight deck?
You have only to ask, Jawine!

See: http://www.grabthehudz.com/

Yes, color-matched brake hoods for Shimano, Campagnolo, and SRAM. They also make color-matched cable donuts to prevent scuffs. The ones on my blue bike are by A'ME; sadly, no longer available nor will they fit current brakes. They were just the ticket for my Dia-Compe AGC Aero levers from back in the day. Really comfortable and pliable, the material never cracked or crazed and scrubbed up to look like new. The "hudz" mentioned above look like the modern version in the photos.

The color-matched craze comes 'round about every 25 years, so if you miss it now...  ;)

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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 09:45:48 AM »
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Hudz-Dura-Ace-All-Brake-Hoods-Protector-/150567454010?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&var=&hash=item68c748f938

Haha they are still going! And not that much more expensive that Shimano ones (£4)

So how was your experience with stains on the blue tape? If I see stains soon then it will just annoy me and I am better off getting black all over.
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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2012, 05:06:52 PM »
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So how was your experience with stains on the blue tape?
Jawine,

My experience was bad, bad, bad, and great! That's because the first, second, and third tried left me with blue hands and gloves, and the last worked fine!

This was some years ago, but as I recall, Tressostar cloth tape bled color like crazy. There was a second and third try that didn't work well, and I believe one was Benotto and the other was a plasticky tape by Cello that really surprised me by not being color-fast when it was soaking wet. The last and best-ever was made by CatEye, which was hands-down the best cloth tape I ever used. CatEye laid-on flat, resisted rucking-up and rolling under hand pressure, could be slightly compression-wrapped with helped keep it down, was a smidge wider, and kept its color. It even did well against sun-fading, but eventually succumbed to that, as all cloth tapes do in the end. I went with MorganGrips by Morgan Concepts on that bike and have never needed to replace them, so problem solved.

The dyes used in synthetic cork tapes are pretty good compared to the old cloth tapes. If you're into the older-styles of tape, these folks are a good source: http://www.yellowjersey.org/tapemar.html

If you really are into wrapping patterns, it is a fun project to do an argyle offset double-wrap. You can vary the wraps to get patterns like diamonds and such, and it looks really good with, say, black-and-blue or pale blue/dark blue. Here's a couple examples: http://www.wastedlife.org/bike/harlequin/index.html ...and... http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Diamond_Handlebar_Wrap Needless to say, this works with cloth or cello tape much better than synthetic cork, which is more brittle and thick and doesn't stand tensioning as well.

You can also shellac your handlebar tape, but that can have some problems if the bike is left sitting in the rain for extended periods while parked. It.can.come.off on things and you can imagine the results. Yes, it makes cloth tape last longer. Yes, you can in effect dye it pretty off-shades. Yes, it looks neat and retro and all. Yes, it is a mess to do and takes patience and a long while. Yes, it can be worth it when dry. And yes, it can be a mess afterwards. Ask anyone who has tried to remove it. It is a bit like unwrapping a shellac'd mummy. Before-and-after pics here: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/09/shellac-why-and-how.html Instructions everywhere Google can take you.

I always thought it looked best and cleanest to start winding the tape at the stem and capturing it beneath a set of 'bar-end plugs, but that is a recipe for short life 'cos the "shingles go the wrong way and the edges roll under hand pressure. The most long-lived way to wrap is to start at the lower end and work toward the stem, securing the stem-end with an over-wrap of adhesive plastic tape. Start the first wind really tight, then make two more that are as relaxed as possible. Tis prevents the adhesive-back plastic tape from "creeping" and leaving behind a little snail trail of sticky adhesive that always grows fur and dirt and hair and looks terrible.

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Dan.

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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 05:15:46 PM »
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So how was your experience with stains on the blue tape?
Duh! It just struck me...you aren't asking about colorfastness, but how well blue shows stains. Just goes to show how the written word can sometimes be read two ways.

If that is the concern, then definitely go with darker blue. Black can't be beat, but dark blue is probably next-best. I did a beautiful wrapping with a nice pale blue, got a nosebleed, and the lot looked like a murder scene, never to recover.  :P I came home and had to re-do it all.  :'( White cotton is the *worst* for showing stains. Whatever is used to make brand-new gloves look fresh out of the package is also capable of leaving dark, awful-looking stains on white cotton.

Back in the day when cotton tape was pretty much all that was available, Tour de France mechanics would change the cotton tape almost daily so the rider would be greeted by a "fresh-looking" bike. You can imagine the mechanics' joy when cellotape became fashionable. Longer-lasting and largely able to shrug-off stains (it got scrubbed with soapy water like the rest of the bike), it made their lives bliss in comparison. Look at old photos of TdF riders near the start of the 20th Century, and you'll see just how dirty they and the bikes got by the end of a day. A lot of riders wore motorcycle-style faceted goggles to keep the road-smut out of their eyes, and looked like reverse raccoons when they removed them. They also wore their spare tires, twisted around their shoulders like bandoleers. No following team-cars and riders had to do their own repairs.

Tough days, tough riders. For a peek into one rider back in the day, see: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=3888.0 This fellow's secret weapon? He survived on eating cold pork chops, carried in a musette bag. The extra "fuel" helped him power past exhausted competitors with slimmer pickings.

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Dan.
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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 09:36:26 PM »
Wow Dan...you are a veritable "hub" of information :)

Colour me impressed ^_^

Shellac not an option here in Rainy Island...got soaked to the socks in 2 minutes this week! Surprise downpour :P Harlequin em not sure...maybe a bit too hipster for me :P

It would be cork tape...it's nice and soft and cotton well again rain, rain rain won't last long. It's currently wrapped in cork tape and it is lovely gently on the wrists. Roads here generally pothole central so padding is vital.

Dark blue might work then, let's see what the mood takes me once the cash is in for the new bar. The shop was nice and gave a refund due to the problems with the back wheel they knew about the freehub body, but the back quick release was banjaxed too. That's a technical term ;) The spring was gone and axle stuck and it didn't release so quick anymore...

Agree the old tour the france guys were pretty hardcore...none of this 8.6 kg crabon fibre bikes with 2 millions gear and titanium parts and electric shifting, one gear, carry your own tires, no special training or supps get on your bike with some wine and cigarettes and any old high caloric food ;)
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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2012, 09:58:12 PM »
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Roads here generally pothole central so padding is vital...
There's other options, as well.

One of my favorite is to install Grab-On style dense foam padding. Then, compression-wrap them with plastic handlebar tape. It is even better if the tape is slightly padded. There's some out there for reasonable prices that are really good. Get the kind with an adhesive strip in the center.

The thickness ends up about half what a Grab-On foam pad would be, but very dense -- which means it absorbs the big hits and doesn't break down. The plastic tape shields it from breaking down in sunlight, and rain. Because it is closed-cell foam *and* covered with plastic, it just doesn't absorb water.

I used this consistently on my Miyata 1000LT and suspect strongly I will go back to it on Sherpa once the Thorn-supplied synthetic cork goes away. It held up very well for truly bad American washboard gravel, over dirt, and on extended desert crossings and would easily go 8-9 years between replacements, even though I laid the bike down on its side (no kickstand and no Click-Stand at the time).

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the back quick release was banjaxed
Sorry to hear about the greater hub trouble. It's never something simple, is it? D'ya know why the q/r got stuck without the volute spring in place? When the q/r skewer shafts are forged, there's a join line near where the shaft joins the head that accepts the lever. It is easy to mill the scarf off the shaft, but harder near the head (the tool has some clearances that can't get into the tight space) -- that leaves a little ridge on each side of the shaft at the very end. This used to be really bad on Normandy hub skewers. If the spring is missing, that join line serves as a wedge and binds in the end of the hollow axle. The shop could likely have salvaged it by giving a sharp, straight thump with a shot-filled dead-blow nylon mallet. By they way, the springs are called "volute" 'cos they're wound like a clock-spring in a spiral, so they'll compress flat without eating as much clearance between the q/r and the dropout ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volute_spring ). When compressed flat, the spring is still just thick enough to keep that join line on the skewer shaft from wedging in the axle. Remove or lose the spring, tighten the lever, and...banjax! A study I once read concluded a properly tightened quick-release of the old-school sort can exert more than a half-ton/454kg of compressive force. There's a great deal of leverage there. External-cam designs exert about 1/4 to 1/3 that amount and if made of softer aluminum, often account for wheel slippage when used on ramped dropouts.

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Dan.

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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 09:59:12 AM »
Got new tape...black how boring ;)

Thought let's cheer it up with Royal Blue Hudz covers, but I can't get the 105 model anymore here in that colour at a reasonable price, it's all newer Ultegra/105, Dura Ace etc.

Black it is alas.

The Thorn is now spinning along quite happily with freewheel hub fixed, and there's new bars on the way as the borrowed Sakae ones have a much too long reach.

Back in black... ;)
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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2012, 10:36:06 AM »
nothing wrong with black  ;D

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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2012, 10:45:41 AM »
Back in black... ;)

Paint it Black   ;)

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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2012, 03:11:31 PM »
Wee update, right now the Thorn is laying with it's cables out as to get to the hoods you need to disengage the brake cables and the gear cables needed changed.

Alas couldn't find Hudz for the type I got (5510 shifters) so black she will be.

Cabling time...I never tuned derailleurs I might have to set the pride aside and ask for help later in the week.

Will post a piccie if you guys are interested, for this non drop bar person this is a BIG cycle event but no doubt you have all tuned derailleurs and taped bars a zillion times :)
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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2012, 04:10:17 PM »
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Will post a piccie if you guys are interested...
Well, of course, Jawine! We'd love to see.
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for this non drop bar person this is a BIG cycle event but no doubt you have all tuned derailleurs and taped bars a zillion times
The first go-'round is always the hardest, but it becomes easier on subsequent re-tapings. Don't forget to hold the cabling in place with some length of electrical tape as you re-wrap, else you'll need six hands to do the job.

Every confidence in you; you'll do fine and it will look great!

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Dan.

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Re: Pimp my bike: Cinelli denim tape does this stain much?
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2012, 09:50:25 AM »
6 hands now there's an idea :P

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