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Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« on: March 07, 2012, 12:56:52 AM »
I've heard it told that the Nomad is a nice bike but not the fastest in the world.  Not true! In fact I think the speed is amazing.  Just think.  My order shipped on Friday and here it is on Tuesday - FOUR days later!  Out of the shop, over the ocean, through customs and to my door in this quaint hick little town in the center of North Carolina.

That was FAST!  8)  THANK you all who helped me with the order at SJS cycles and all of you here who have helped me with information and inspiration since I had joined this forum.

Fastest Nomad ever.   ;D ;D  Those skinny tired bikes would have taken all week!

I got home about an hour ago btw and just finnished putting it together.  Pictures later.  Man, oh man .... what a great surprise.


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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 01:00:29 AM »
Oh, Pavel! This is wonderful news!! Thanks so much for sharing the "new arrival" with us; just tickled for you!

My wish, in the form of a toast:

"May you ride far and long,
happy and strong.
On your new Thorn,
you'll be reborn!"

All the best,

Dan.
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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2012, 02:24:24 AM »
Gettin' any sleep tonight Pavel? I'm guessing New Bike Excitement is still in high gear.  If you're like me when Sherpa arrived, you'll park him in the livingroom and check on him periodically through the night. Just to make sure he's getting settled-in properly, of course. In case he needs anything. Just to make sure he's still there and to confirm it wasn't a dream.

Nomad's really here! ("there" to me, "here" for you).  ;) Gotta name for 'im (or her?) yet?

Congratulations!

(How's Nomad ride? Doin' the "tourist thing" and introducing him to North Carolina? Of course you are!)

Best,

Dan.
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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2012, 02:35:56 AM »
Have fun with your new bike, Pavel!

I still have studded winter tires on my Nomad. There is still some snow and ice on the roads at the tops of the hills here. Forecast for the next couple days is warm enough weather to melt all that, but then it will get cold again.

I've ordered Duremes for my bike and for my girlfriend's son. That Erie Canal path has enough loose stuff, I think a bit of tread will be useful. Right now Bike24 is scrutinizing my debit card data with remarkable care before they decide to ship the tires! I figure when they get here it'll be time to take off the studs.

Did you go for the low gears like 38x16 or 40x17? I have 38x16 and use that bottom gear plenty!


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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 02:54:40 AM »
Hooray Pavel!  Can't wait to see photos...

Your Nomad is much faster than mine, apparently!  Maybe I should have had you place the order for me.  Yours shipped after mine did, but I'm still waiting!!  Anxiously, I might add!!

Jim... I will be on the Erie Canal tour too...  Hopefully I will see you there!  :)

Chris

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2012, 02:55:22 AM »
Sleep? Of course .... in a few days.

The day was nice here in NC.  I had lunch with a few friends and then since I was already in Raleigh I thought, why not drive to Durham where I had heard that there was a nice bike path through the historic part of old durham.  It is called the Tobacco trail.
I rolled in a parked the car and right at that time I received a call the there were two large boxes at home.  That was a tough moment!  I decided that I had the willpower to wait.  The lies we tell ourselves.  

This is the Tobacco trail:




Nice ... but somehow I was not into it  ;D and took off for home after about an hour.

I was going to go straight home but thought that this needs to be done properly so I went to the store first.  British bike ... British brew ... right? ;)



The cats like it too. They know quality boxes and after I emptied them they had a grand ol' time playing.



Time to get down to work.  SJS cycles really know how to pack the bikes up.  I was impressed at all the foam and the careful and thorough way it was put on - with 387 zip ties.
This is the Hobo look I'm currently cultivating.  Nobody will steal my bike - I mean, who steals from the homeless, right? :D


Putting a bike together is hard sweaty work.  Time for a break ... or four.


The Brits sure know their stuff! ( how does one immigrate? )


The whole putting together of the bike took only about 45 minutes.  I had chosen the less expensive two box shipping to save some money and expected a lot more work.  It was very obvious that someone had carefully set the bike up and then disasembled it to box up.  All the cables were set up, everything was greased and so it was a breeze.  Very nice!


I manages a two minute test ride.  Tomorrow I will fit the racks and lights, adjust the brakes and tweak things.  I am very impressed.  My only slight disappointment is in the fact that while the rear wheel is perfect, the front is not trued as well as I would have hoped.  There is about a centimeter and a half lateral runout in one spot.  I'' live with it for a few days if I can get the brakes not to rub and then have someone local true it up for me.  That is the only small nit ... the rest completely exceeds my best hopes.

What a GREAT day!!!

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2012, 03:04:50 AM »
Pavel,

Great photos!  Hopefully you can get out for a longer test ride tomorrow... Looks like more nice weather down your way!!

Chris

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 03:10:50 AM »
I will be on the Erie Canal tour too... 

Wow, very cool! Can't be so very many Nomads in New York, I wouldn't expect! Should be easy needles to find, and the haystack isn't so very big! I think it will be a great fun ride!

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 04:36:05 AM »
Pavel,

What a terrific photo essay of your "Thorn (Un)Boxing" Day! Wonderful, and so very happy for you!

Glad yours came through with minimal troubles.

Chris, fingers crossed yours will arrive soonest, and we'll soon be celebrating with you as well!  Placing an order makes time elastic -- mine took forever, and Pavel's passed at warp speed; here's hoping you'll have a "Pavel Experience". Let us know when it arrives...

All the best,

Dan.

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2012, 08:06:01 AM »
Shame about the front wheel being out of true but I presume you meant by a millimetre and a half rather than a centimetre and a half?! I know you Americans don't use the metric system much!
And by the way, Guinness is Irish, not British.
Nice bike though!

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 01:07:17 PM »
really class bike almost as nice as my sherpa  ;D ;D
enjoy every pedal stroke buddy only one gripe as i'm  irish
Guinness is about as irish as you can get and should never ever be drunk from a bottle  ;D ;D

only jokeing pavel its a great lookingh bike and probably the best touring bike in the world sure will be interesting to hear your views on it when you get it going Loaded and unoaded.
hopefully more pics. cheers
jags.

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 11:13:05 AM »
Guinness Irish? Oh, man ... I feel bad about my faux-pas and promise to rectify my mistake at once!  ;D  I took it upon myself to consume, as fast as possible the brew with the different Karma, and in fact am very pleased to inform that it is all gone.  Now to set things right I must ask those of you who have done research in this area to recommend an alternative.  I have to say that Guiness is the best beer I've ever had the pleasure of (so far) but since symbolism is so important I promise to drink at least two cases of whichever brew is recommended and which I can find here amongst the cans of Miller light. Mea Culpa ... or cuppa, I mean.  :D

Jags ... I noticed that the Guiness seems to impart more of a wobble to the ride.  Is that an Irish thing? ;)

The wheel is not as bad as I first reported. Yes my guess was 1.5 mm, not cm but I measured it as best as I could without a runout dial and it is close to about 3 mm, just in one spot.  I can imagine that shipping could have had something to do with it and I know that sometimes some rims can pull after even a good build.  No problem though as I adjusted the brakes, centering them, and now the rim just misses from rubbing. Thorn sets the breaks up really nice and tight, perhaps a millimeter on each side.

I've been puttering with various things about the bike, slowly dialing it in and I've gone on two short rides of about six and ten kilometers so far.  My first impressions are that the bike is less stiff than I expected.  What I mean is that the bike is obviously a strong frame but it is supple and comfortable.  I was willing to give up anything comfort wise to gain a good controlled ride with no sway after my experiences with my Fuji Touring bike but this is completely different than I was worried about.  This bike is not harsh at all!  What a nice surprise.  Seriously ... I'm blown away! It is also more lively than I expected and picks up speed very briskly - even with me pedaling. :)

I'm starting to come to the thinking that it is a function of 26" wheels vs 700cm. Aside from all the advantages such as strength and availability in more countries, I think that the smaller circumference adds a noticeable degree of ease of speed change giving that lively impression.  It makes sense because if you take the same weight and spin it over a larger circumference as you need to on 700cm wheels you increase the effective mass tremendously.  Any thoughts on that?  I've got the 1.6 duremes on right now, I have not yet tried the mondials but the ride is much more of a lighter bike that I thought it would be. That is a very pleasant surprise.  I thought that perhaps my choice of a Nomad may have been one that was too extreme (but at least it would not do the fuji wobble) and that I perhaps would find the downsides biting me, but so far ... what downsides?!?!  8)

I tried to take much care in how I wired the lights and have many thoughts on that, which I will save for another thread in a more appropriate section.  I did want to ask one quick thing however.  I normally like to have a ground wire run back to the light from the rear led lamp rather than grounding it through the frame.  I don't like zip ties.  I don't use them except when I can't think of other options.  The Nomad has a little bit of space under or over that rear brake line in the braze on guides.  I wanted to run the wire through there but it is just a bit too narrow a space to be able to fit it in.  Perhaps a bit of grease along with elbow grease?  Anyways, I feel quite sure that if I run only one wire, it will fit but then I will have to ground to the frame.  Any ideas here both about how best to do this and about where and how it would be good to ground to if that is the best option for one who hates extra zip ties?

I will post some pix of my happy struggles after I get them on the computer.  As I mentioned, I've got many thoughts and questions for you that have gone down this route before.  Hey, I can see that tinkering with a nicely thought out bike can be almost as much fun as riding it.  So much to optimise.  I wonder if that is a guy thing.  The girls may be more sensible and simply use the bike for what it was designed to do.  ;D  So in that spirit, dawn is breaking and the birds are singing (praises for thorn bikes I think) so I better get out there and do what the Nomad was designed to do.  I can stare at it and dream of optimizations later!  Ciao fer now!

I've noticed that this forum is more slow moving, with less participation than other forums I've been on.  It's a shame that Thorn builds such good bicycles.  We don't get to post innumerable gripes.  You all seem to be cycling, rather than nursing sore body parts or waiting on repairs.  Oh well, nothings perfect! :-\ :-*

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2012, 01:17:03 PM »
I had SJS wire up the dynamo-powered rear light on my Nomad.... it's zip ties the whole way! Two wires, routed down the down tube, out the non-drive chain stay, then up the rack brace.

Someday I want to try some 1.6 inch tires... so far I have been using just 2 inch wide tires.

I wonder about the inertia argument. A given mass will contribute a larger moment of inertia as it is situated at a larger radius... but on the other hand, a larger radius wheel will turn at a lower RPM for a given vehicle speed. I suspect it all cancels out.

It does seem, though, that a smaller wheel can be made lighter with the same strength as a larger wheel.

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2012, 01:21:15 PM »
 cant wait to see the photos Pavel sure is going to be some bike.
the fastest speed i done on my sherpa fully loaded was 52mph down hill of course but it was so solid felt as safe as houses ;D but i've copped myself on since then .
anyway dont forget to post the finished bike and oh yeah take it easy with that guinness very addictive stuff 8)

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Re: Is the Nomad the Fastest bike?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2012, 03:26:21 PM »
The other details I'd like to mention are that this new Rohloff hub is surprisingly quiet and a strong degree quieter than the one I have been riding.  That is a major surprise! I now wonder if my old Rohloff needs an oil change, and real quick.  I'm going to order the oil change kit and hope it makes my worn in hub as quiet as my new one.  The old hub has a noticeable increase in noise as you go from low gears into gear seven - as expected and then is pretty much silent.  The new hub is quieter in seven that the low gears on the old, and a slight bit more quiet in it's lower gears - but in truth they are all very hard to hear at all while riding vs just spinning them on the bike stand.  I'm thrilled - except of course now hope that there isn't something amiss with the old hub.  I imagine that there must be a bit of variance with Rohloff's as with any other mass produced part, but this degree of silent is almost a shock after all of what I'd heard before.  Heck I did't know what the fuss was all about with the old, apparently fussy hub.  NICE!

The duremes however are noisy.  I can hear them squeal as speed increases.  I have to go and try the other tyres but only after I've done more mileage with these and have had the chance to get to know them better. 

Has anyone tried replacing the pads on the XTR brakes?  They seem really hard and I wonder if there are not better choices out there? 

On the light thing, I will even probably go with a battery powered light on the rear before I disfigure that sleek Nomad look with my arch-enemy, the zip tie! :)

In fact I tried that already and was surprised that the Thorn rear rack back plate is drilled like swiss cheese, but none of the holes line up with the 50mm spacing of my rear light.  I thought that 50mm was a popular size nowadays along with 80mm?

Lastly (for now) was the discovery that the Nomad uses nice, stout, confidence inspiring screws to hold the racks on the front fork.  That is great.  My Tubus ergo, however uses more wimpy bolts, one size smaller and will NOT have the Thorn bolts fit through the mount holes nor through the small spacers neither.  That's odd, because I've seen Thorn bikes with Ergos mounted. Did the bolts recently get beefed up or do people drill out the Tubus racks?  Does anyone have any of the tubus stuff on ... and how'd ya do it? 

Still waiting for the (urgent) beer advice ... btw.  ;)