Author Topic: Anyone do randos, long day rides on their "heavy touring" Thorns?  (Read 4329 times)

Danneaux

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Hi All,

I'm wondering if anyone of us uses their heavier Thorns for longer-distance day rides?  If so, how'd you fare?

I have a lighter touring bike with 700x32C tires for most of my long (300-400KM+) day rides, and it has worked well and remains comfortable over that distance.  However, my new Sherpa duplicates my position and has a similar gear range and rides more comfortably due to wider tires at reduced pressure.  As many of my long rides involve either poorly-surfaced roads or gravel, mountainous terrain and pass crossings and even some rough-stuff, I am beginning to consider my Sherpa as a possible contender for longer day rides and wonder how others have fared.  I guess I'll know soon enough, but it would be nice to have a preview of coming attractions.

I'm running 2.0 Duremes on (non-CSS) Rigida Andras, but once up to speed, they roll surprisingly well and I wouldn't imagine them being much of an impediment for steady-state rides over long distances.  At present, my rando bike weighs just under 15kg (33 lbs) with empty bottles and no rack-top pack.  The Sherpa currently weighs in at 18.1kg (40 lbs) with all 6.5 liters' worth of bottles empty and no luggage.  I've managed 300+km  days alone on the tandem in similar conditions, and it weighs only 2.7kg (6 lbs) more, so I am hopeful the Sherpa may also become my new long-distance day bike as well as my expedition tourer.

Anyone willing to share experiences?  Thanks in advance!

Best,

Dan.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 02:12:42 AM by Danneaux »

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2011, 07:36:46 PM »
hi Dan, the thing i like about my sherpa you can ride it all day no problem in comfort and still feel relatively fresh after a long ride.but i dont threat it like my road bike ,when i'm on the road bike even on a 50/60 miler theres no stops basically a training spin, but on the sherpa i  smell the roses  ;D usually have my carradice rackbag loaded up with goodies such as snacks /flask of coffee/ camera/  radio .

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2011, 08:23:44 PM »
Are you sure your Sherpa weighs 40lb ??
 

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2011, 10:10:22 PM »
HI Brummie,

Yes, unfortunately my dear Sherpa is a portly fellow!  I just re-weighed him on the (sadly accurate) digital bathroom scales and came up with the same figures again.

It is because is wearing so much heavy stuff!  I expect he will gain a bit more when complete.  I'll post pics to the gallery when he is finished, but at present, here's the basic kit he's carrying when I weighed him--:

= Sherpa 560S
= Shimano Deore brakes, gearing and 170mm cranks
= Thorn (Zoom) seatpost with long layback
= Zoom 44cm anatomic bend drop handlebars, 11cm Zoom stem
= SunTour Superbe Pro sealed quill pedals with CatEye nylon clips and straps
= Rigida Andra rims (plain, not CSS)
= Schwalbe 26x2.0 Dureme rigid (wired-on) tires
= Schwalbe SV13 presta-valve tubes
= SON28 dynohub
= Brooks B.17 saddle
= Thorn Low-Loader Mark V front racks
= Surly Nice Rack rear
= B&M IQ Cyo "N" Senso headlight with standlight
= B&M Toplight Line taillight with switchable standlight
= Tout Terrain "The Plug 2" USB charging port (supplies charging for my water purifier, GPS, auxiliary lighting, cell phone, motion and still cameras).
= Tout Terrain removable replacement for star-fangled nut
= Portland Design Works (PDW) multifunction 1-watt LED taillight on left side of rear rack
= Thorn 105mm Accessory T-bar
= Click-Stand Max, carried in Click-Stand's repurposed Topeak pump holder below the T-bar
= Compass-bell combo on T-bar
= SkyMounti inclinometer on handlebars
= PlanetBike Protege 9.0 computer on handlebars
= CueClip cue sheet holder on handlebars
= Garmin Oregon 400T GPS on Garmin mount atop stem
= Tektro 740L "interrupter" levers attached to tops of drop 'bars
= Zefal HPX2 pump
= Lightweight nylon underseat bag with 1 spare tube, 2 patch kits (glued and glueless), tire levers, Nitrile gloves
= SKS P55 fenders with front Buddy Flaps mudflap
= 3 Blackburn "Bomber" 1.5 liter bottle cages and 3 (empty) PET botteles with sport nozzles
= 2 CatEye nylon bottle cages mounted on either side of steerer (for extended desert crossings; doesn't seem to have any effect on handling)
= 2 (empty) Zefal Magnum 1-liter water bottles for steerer-mounted cages
= N-Gear Jump-Stop overshift protector
= Ortlieb Ultimate 5-series handlebar bag mount
= PlanetBike fender stays to allow for larger fender clearances when crossing wet desert/dry lake playa
= Kool-Stop salmon brake pad inserts
 
Soon to add:
= BBG Bicycle Bash Guard atop the three chainrings
= Swap cassette for 11-34 from 11-32 for better gearing for my needs (increments as well as lower low)
= Small, microprocessor-controlled motion detector mounted to seatpost
= Tout Terrain "The Plug 2" high-output charging enhancement device

I think that catches it all at present.

Viewed individually in the list above, each item seems reasonable.  However, it all adds up and it all comes in just about spot-on for what I'd figured.  The Sherpa is primarily going to be my expedition tourer, and the weight of the additional components quickly fades compared to the weight of the whole when loaded (Dan's Maxim:  The more you carry overall, the less each part weighs in proportion!  'Something wrong with that reasoning...).  On my last extended desert crossing, my Miyata 1000LT weighed 109 lbs. (49.4kg) all-up, thanks mostly to carrying nearly 10 liters of water plus food when touring solo.  For any reasonable tour on my other conventional bikes, my carried load *in* the bags weighs-out at a maximum or around 40 lbs. with food and water for solo wild camping with a tent.  It is just that for the kind of touring I do, I have to carry so much to be self-sufficient and to provide a small margin in case of injury, as I am alone, wild-camping well over a hundred miles from the nearest non-alkali potable water source. 

The author of _Adventure Cycle Touring_ advises wrt water, "...4.5 liters on the bike frame, a huge amount for most situations, but only enough for half a day when ambient temperatures rise close to body heat (37C)."  They further advise, "It's also worth bringing along a ten-liter...water bag for occasional use; it gives you freedom to find a camping place away from water supplies." (both quotes, page 82, 2nd Ed.).

 I have found that advice to be spot-on in my own experience, especially as the temps hover at or very near 121F/49C with no shade and the additional reflection of heat from the road surface.  Desert touring is a special case, and it was not unusual for me to experience 70-80F day/night temperature variations with sub-freezing nights that froze and burst the bottles I didn't have room for in the warmer tent.  There is a lot to deal with in that environment, including extremely corrosive salts in the sands and a phenomenon known as "playa foot" that can leave extremities raw and bleeding and open to infection if one doesn't use care.  One literally cannot carry enough sunscreen for protection, so it is imperative to also pack sun-filtering clothing to prevent burning and further dehydration.  Some  links on the general topic are here:

http://www.burningman.com/preparation/event_survival/water.html
http://www.burningman.com/preparation/event_survival/bikes.html
http://www.burningman.com/preparation/event_survival/playa_foot.html
http://giantloopmoto.blogspot.com/2011/04/dr-dan-hardcore-2-wheeled-adventurer.html#!/2011/04/dr-dan-hardcore-2-wheeled-adventurer.html
http://giantloopmoto.blogspot.com/2010/06/giant-loop-tour-2010-email-from-dan.html#!/2010/06/giant-loop-tour-2010-email-from-dan.html

While appallingly heavy in conventional terms, my Sherpa is outfitted as required for the job at hand, and the weight reflects this.  My other tourers are intended for much lighter, less demanding duty.  Horses for courses, one might say.  I'd still like to see how the Sherpa fares as a rando bike...it isn't far off in many respects.

Best,

Dan.

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 08:27:59 AM »
Dan

Freddered has done a whole SR series on his Raven Tour, see this thread ...

http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=1282.0

I think Freddered might have contributed on this theme in other threads, but this should be a good starter for you.

Jim

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 06:35:09 PM »
Hi

Until I recently purchased my Thorn Raven Tour, I used either my Dawes Ultra Galaxy or my Specialised Tri Cross. My day rides, not sure if that is what they should be called, is leave home ride as far as I can with no plan in mind, wild camp and return the next day, with just my rear panniers carrying the minimum required.

My original idea was to use the Thorn for longer tours, and the other bikes for my overnight runs. I have found the Thorn much more relaxing to ride, seem to have more time to look around, but somehow seem to cover roughly the same distance. Perhaps it is because I don't stop as much and enjoy the views as I cycle.

I sometimes feel we get a bit too hung up over the weight of the bike, perhaps it a better idea to loose a few kilos on the body weight.  :)

enjoy your cycling

John

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 07:23:42 PM »
40lbs it is then ! Not bad considering...
 

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 08:06:17 PM »
seen an RST in the flesh  today for the first time  ;)
my son's mate  arrived down to me today  just to let me drool over his bike for the afternoon ;D
he had it kitted out in a very high spec  dt swiss ceramic rims  really flash looking hubs rohloff on the back naturally .and kojac tires looked fantastic.  xtr breakes lots of carbon parts. yeah a dream machine. i was surprised how light it was all in all a fantastic bike i was am very impressed. ;)

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2011, 08:09:56 PM »
Jags,

By any chance, do you think you could get him to join this forum and post a photo for us to also drool over?  Would love to see it...

Best,

Dan.

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2011, 10:07:11 PM »
dan i was thinking the very same thing ;D ;D
i will most definitely ask him .

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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2011, 10:11:51 PM »
well i asked him on his facebook page hopefully he will reply one can but ask  ;D
he just got back to me he will post some pic's as soon as he can.
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Re: Anyone do randos, long day rides in their "heavy touring" Thorns?
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