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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 03:28:40 PM »
Thanks jags.

This one's for JimK



You're not the only one who can install Buddyflaps a bit crooked!!    :P
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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 04:10:33 PM »
Relayer did sjs build your wheels  ,when funds allow i want to go with a new front wheel and son dynamo so give me your thoughts on yours please.
thanks.

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 06:27:14 PM »
jags, my bike was an ex-display bike, so I assume SJSC built the wheels.  The wheels overall are good, I have had no problems with them at all and they are still running true.  I am not an expert on rims, I am quite a newcomer to 26" wheels and for 700c I always got the best Mavic's I could afford, so I am not an expert in rims for your Sherpa.  However here goes with the little I do know and what I can glean from Andy Blance's advice.

The Rigida Grizzly CSS rims are reportedly lighter than the Andra, yet they are strong enough for a Sherpa, so therefore a good compromise somewhere between an expedition wheel and a lightweight touring wheel. 
Sherpa option description "Grizzly 36h Other people’s heavy duty rim; this is our medium duty rim. Ideal for road based trips. Lighter and quicker than Andra but not as “bombproof” or long lasting.". 
I think they are light enough for my RST, but not that far away from the rims on your Sherpa to warrant such a significant investment in cash terms.  Braking in the wet with CSS coating isn't nearly as good in the dry with blue Swisstop pads, some get on better with alternatives.

If you want a lighter/faster rim Thorn recommend the DT Swiss XR 425 rims.

Andy Blance's comments in the current Sherpa brochure:-
"Rigida Grizzly rims
These are our preferred choice for most Sherpa bike builds. They are reasonably light in weight but they’re certainly not ultra lightweight rims
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"DT Swiss XR 425 Rims.
These are cross country racing rims. They are very lightweight and can certainly encourage you to make big efforts...they are seriously quick. They are only suitable for lighter weight cyclists on lightweight tours
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If you like Rigida rims there are also the Snyper which is a general purpose rim and is much cheaper than either of the above, mostly used for cummuters I think.

Mavic rims offer a good range of MTB racing rims which I would imagine would give you light weight and speed, a brief outline of Mavic naming conventions is:-
the letters
XC = cross country
XM = cross mountain
EX = extreme MTB
A = asphalt (road)
First number is rank in Mavic heirarchy e.g. 7 > 2.
Next 2 numbers = internal width (e.g. 717 is 17mm wide, 721 is 21mm wide).

Therefore a Mavic XC717 is a cross country rim (faster than XM or EX which I take to be more impact proof), 7 series being high up the range, and 17mm wide.  This should be one for your shortlist along with the DT Swiss above, I would count out the Grizzly as being too much of a heavy(?) touring rim.

The Schmidt SON dynamo hub is excellent, very little rolling resistance - so low I am not aware of it.  One thing to consider, I have an allen key skewer in mine and to begin with I struggled to get the right torque on it - very small margin between being too loose and too tight (causing a notchy sort of rolling resistance) - but that doesn't seem to be such an issue for me now, maybe I got used to it.  I am more used to quick release skewers, but with such a hub you might want to consider the Pitlock skewer.

I hope this gives you a starting point jags, but there will be a few contributors on here who could give you much better/fuller advice.

Good luck with your wheels jags

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 06:43:23 PM »
You're not the only one who can install Buddyflaps a bit crooked!!

Ah, a distinguished club, I am happy to discover!

My big ride coming up is along the Erie Canal, so your photo there is very inspiring. Though it looks more like a working stretch of water than the Erie Canal is nowadays!

I was interested in your comments on grips. I have my Ergon grips angled up quite a bit, so when my palm is along that long surface, my wrists are in a neutral position with respect to my fore-arms. Seems comfortable enough, but for me these days 50 miles is a long ride - not a very rigorous test!

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2012, 07:17:40 PM »
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Dan will be displeased at my non-scientific approach but given this eureka moment I fitted the new bar ends and adjusted the grips to horizontal at the same time ... result is a great success!!!
Oh, never, Jim! I truly believe whatever gets you the results you need to ride pain-free (or ride at all) is top-notch!

I am so very happy and heartened this seems to be working for you, and I have fingers crossed it will continue to do so. Yours is a stunning bike, and you can surely be proud of it. All the little details are oh-so-right, and I especially like the smiley Buddy Flap on the rear. What a stunner, indeed!

Loved the update; please keep them coming.

All the best,

Dan.

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2012, 07:29:55 PM »
Just to add another 2-cents' worth...

jags, for what its worth, I think Jim's (Relayer's) advice on wheels and rims is top-notch and would serve you very well.

My Sherpa wheels with Rigida Andra rims and 36 2.0mm spokes are ridiculously overbuilt for most use but spot-on for what I needed them for -- expedition touring; they are indeed bombproof. For most uses and the kinds of loads you'll be carrying on your trip 'round Ireland, jags, you'd be fine with something lighter. Certainly you would do okay with lighter for all your day-riding. You're used to riding light 700C wheels on your other bikes with no problems on the same roads, so you're not going to bash lighter wheels to bits in an instant. Your touring loads are pretty light, too.

Guys, don't worry about the mudflaps hanging ever so slightly off. That's not an error, it's a Design Feature, intended to encourage tire-thrown water to drain neatly off one corner instead of running off in a sheet. They look great. Don't breathe a word, and no one'll know. See? Relayer's flap is so happy, it's smiling, while Jim's is rocketing to the stars with joy. Can't beat that! I love 'em both.

Just remember...any ride is a good ride! Some of the nicest ones in my memories were just 'round the block, so to speak.

All the best,

Dan.

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 08:12:23 PM »
JIm and Dan thanks a million  ,yes next few spare pound i have i will be going for a much lighter wheel with son hub must get a price from sjs .thanks again lads great help.

i didn't forget dave on the build i just wanted to be sure of what i want.

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2012, 10:42:14 PM »
>> Braking in the wet with CSS coating isn't nearly as good in the dry with blue Swisstop pads, some get on better with alternatives.
If you find any, please post. The brakes are crap in the wet.

I went to marathon supreme 1.6's from panaracer hi-road 1.5s after the rear wore out. I find the marathons quite harsh in comparison, so am hoping they're pretty much puncture proof.

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2012, 08:30:11 AM »
>> Braking in the wet with CSS coating isn't nearly as good in the dry with blue Swisstop pads, some get on better with alternatives.
If you find any, please post. The brakes are crap in the wet.

I went to marathon supreme 1.6's from panaracer hi-road 1.5s after the rear wore out. I find the marathons quite harsh in comparison, so am hoping they're pretty much puncture proof.

An example of alternative brake pads here from Julian at the bottom of the thread

http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4018.0

The Marathon Supremes certainly have much stronger sidewalls than the Pasela TGs, but at lower pressures (50/55) this isn't quite so much of an issue for me, and I feel more confident of avoiding the dreaded p-word with the Schwalbes.

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2012, 04:12:46 PM »
i  just put the supream on the rear i have it at 6 bar max pressure   
i got out today for a great spin 72 miles 13.5mph  average not bad for an auld fella  ;D ;D
anyway i always run my tires to the max, probable why i blew the sidewall out of the front supream  >:(
honest to god i seriously thing with all my years of cycling experience that punctures are down to sheer bad luck nothing else.

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2012, 06:50:59 PM »
i got out today for a great spin 72 miles 13.5mph  average not bad for an auld fella  ;D ;D

The roadies will surely have trouble hanging onto your wheel when you get your new wheels jags!

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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2012, 07:38:02 PM »
hah in my dreams not any more relayer there was a time though ;D ;D
got a price from sjs today on a  xc mavic 717 rim 36hole
son28 dynmo
dt spokes/ rim tape
price £290 plus postage i think is around £35 wow expensive front wheel.

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2013, 05:58:24 PM »
Well, a couple of months ago I took my RST to Davefife to get new mudguards fitted.  One of the brackets had failed, and it turned out the rest were pretty well corroded and the whole set had to be replaced.  So, I thought I would try BLACK for a change which Dave duly fitted and we both thought they looked good on the bike with my newish Paselas.

I haven't been using the RST much this summer, but today I thought with Autumn approaching I would switch back to the Marathon Supremes ... and wow!! I was blown away by how great the bike looks now   :o



Well, at least to my eye anyway it looks better than ever, almost like having a new bike   ;D

Just a quick pic taken out back, I'll get a better one out in the wild soon.

Jim

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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2013, 06:13:08 PM »
class. ;)

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Re: Relayer's RST Thread Rebuild
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2013, 10:43:25 PM »
Very nice.