Paintwork

[peter jenkins]

John,

I think you've missed my point.

My Club Tour's use is restricted to sealed roads and I do treat it reasonably carefully. I use it for touring, commuting and Audax rides, so I don't expect the paint to be blemish free after 6 years... BUT my Trek is the bike that has had the rougher usage and its paint has held up better. It's also 5 or 6 years older than the CT.

By the way, I didn't actually criticise the CT's paintwork. I said it was average

Cheers,

pj

[john28july]

Hello
Thorn bikes are powder coated and powder laquered over. ALL bike manufactures except tiddlers such as Mercian etc do the same with the same powder!
Point taken?
 Please think about it, all car manufacturers paint their cars in the same way. I own a Mecedes which is 11 Yrears old and the paintwork is starting to look elderly. I cannot ever afford to buy another not even a used one, so I will look after it the same as I did with my bikes when I owned Thorn bikes. I cannot now ride due to illness but I sure would like to enable others to enjoy a quality bike. The powder coat is as good as any in my opinion looking most makes of bike around.
In passing I think that the bike in Australia wether or not the owner agrees, has had a hard life. Thorn bikes ridden around the World have a great finish when the tour has been done.
I cannot be bothered responded any further so I hope this will be the end of the conversation. I know I am correct and even Fred-AM does too!!!!
John.

[expr]

John,

It seems very clear to me that its your way or no way, I have personally been reading over your last 10-15 posts and have to say that the way in which you speak to people in a majority of cases is confrontational and rood.

It appears that you  feel it necessary to talk down to people regardless of stature.

Lets have a look at your responses in general,

 The first relates back to November 4th where quite clearly you are troubled by the fact that certain members were finding it difficult to get a direct bookmark to the forum in which your reply stated

 “Have you got nothing better to talk about? Bookmark the link for goodness sake”

Not really a very positive and helpful answer is it, more of a sarcastic prompt!

Here is another quote where a discussion was taking place with regards to the Thorn paint on cycles where a member was asking what  the paint was like on recent thorn nomads to which you answered,

 “You should read more”

Again as far as I can logically suggest the member could not have of been in a more appropriate place to ask that question, the whole purpose of this forum is to collate all the applicable members for similar discussion of the same subject.

Again here is another recent post where a member is asking about the bottom bracket set up that is used by Thorn, to which you again further push the member not to use this forum for information but to look elsewhere as in you reply,

“Hello these type of bottom bracket have been used for years! Try reading more about them other than on here”

You further more suggest to other members that “they should not throw their bikes around” and that “YOU” are correct and “YOU” know it, let me tell you john you couldn't be further from the truth, you are egotistical, arrogant and self opinionated to the point that you have convinced yourself that it is acceptable to communicate with others in this way.

I will be putting a formal complaint in to sjs cycles and the forum administrators regarding your behaviour to the point that I feel after all the troubles you have caused in the past also along with your recent outbursts you should be removed.

As you have pointed out clearly that you no longer cycle, I see no point in you using this forum as a platform to shout your contemptuous and mocking suggestions.

I suggest you keep to your last statement where you suggest you cannot be bothered to respond any further to the Thorn paint post as I for one can certainly vote for the fact that I have just about had enough of reading your utter balderdash to the point that if you continue to remain on this forum then I for one will be leaving….

[jimmer]

Hold on a mo Expr. One of the things that keeps me coming back to the forum is to see what new offence John or Fred have caused.

James

[Bearbait]

Yes!  This is better than Survivor (Coronation Street).  Don't lose heart Expr!!!  Manuel can clearly take it.

[expr]

Well I,m sorry i didnt realize there was such a fan club for him suit yourselves my account is now finished.

[peter jenkins]

You don’t get rid of me that easily... the reason I took an interest in this thread is that I’m contemplating a custom repaint of one of my bikes as soon as my budget allows.. I will come to that shortly.
 
I’ve taken JohnJuly28’s advice to read more and  I've been searching the net to see what I can find. First, though, I dug out my receipt for the Trek and realised that I've owned it longer than I thought. It's a 1993 model so it's about to enjoy a coming of age birthday! Anyway, a bit more research tells me that it was painted with DuPont Imron, which is a polyrethane enamel. The stuff is still available but I get the impression that it's no longer used for bicycles. My wife has a Trek of similar vintage, also painted with this stuff and they have both worn exceptionally well. A thorough wash and a touch of wax and they look almost new. Also, last year, I splashed out and bought a Pashley Moulton TSR 30. I've used it a lot for commuting and shorter Audax rides, so it's done around 8,000 kms. The paint is a dark burgundy and claims to be stove enamel. It is still pristine, but to be fair, the space frame construction doesn't present any great surface area to pick up chips or scratches.
 
Another bike in the stable is a  circa 1986 Hillman (Small Australian manufacturer) made with Reynolds 531. I had it repainted 11 years ago by a local chap. It's been powder coated in a deep blue and the paint is still very good. As it should be , because as John points out in his earlier post ( a little shrilly I thought?)

ALL bike manufactures except tiddlers such as Mercian etc do the same with the same powder!

This being the case all powder coats should be pretty much equal, so I feel justified in my earlier statement that Thorn finishes are average. It wasn’t a criticism, just a statement of opinion.
 
The BIG disappointment is my pride and joy, a Bianchi Mega Pro SL. This was a 50th birthday present and has accordingly been coddled, bathed in ass's milk and blow dried after each Sunday ride. It's a lovely bike but the paint is reminiscent of a Fiat from the 60's. It's awfully thin and 10 years of use has made the bike look almost as old as me. I am guessing that the Bianchi is powder coated but can't be sure. The internet is distressingly silent on this.
 
Now... the point I need some help on is this: All my other bikes are relatively dark coloured but the Bianchi is the traditional Celeste and during my preliminary investigations I have been told that the pigment in the darker paints is more resilient and longer wearing than lighter colours. Does anyone out there have any knowledge on this? OR... is it that enamel is superior when it's good quality and applied properly?
It would be useful to hear your opinions on this before I commit my "Sunday" bike to the tender care of a painter as I am reluctant to depart from the 'celeste' paint but would do so if it meant a longer lasting finish..

Also, can someone is more ‘au fait’ with forum etiquette tell if I should start a new thread on this topic now I’ve moved away from a Thorn specific issue?

Thanks and Regards,

pj

[Cake]

John,

It seems very clear to me that its your way or no way, I have personally been reading over your last 10-15 posts and have to say that the way in which you speak to people in a majority of cases is confrontational and rood.

It appears that you  feel it necessary to talk down to people regardless of stature.

Lets have a look at your responses in general,

 The first relates back to November 4th where quite clearly you are troubled by the fact that certain members were finding it difficult to get a direct bookmark to the forum in which your reply stated

 “Have you got nothing better to talk about? Bookmark the link for goodness sake”

Not really a very positive and helpful answer is it, more of a sarcastic prompt!

Here is another quote where a discussion was taking place with regards to the Thorn paint on cycles where a member was asking what  the paint was like on recent thorn nomads to which you answered,

 “You should read more”

Again as far as I can logically suggest the member could not have of been in a more appropriate place to ask that question, the whole purpose of this forum is to collate all the applicable members for similar discussion of the same subject.

Again here is another recent post where a member is asking about the bottom bracket set up that is used by Thorn, to which you again further push the member not to use this forum for information but to look elsewhere as in you reply,

“Hello these type of bottom bracket have been used for years! Try reading more about them other than on here”

You further more suggest to other members that “they should not throw their bikes around” and that “YOU” are correct and “YOU” know it, let me tell you john you couldn't be further from the truth, you are egotistical, arrogant and self opinionated to the point that you have convinced yourself that it is acceptable to communicate with others in this way.

I will be putting a formal complaint in to sjs cycles and the forum administrators regarding your behaviour to the point that I feel after all the troubles you have caused in the past also along with your recent outbursts you should be removed.

As you have pointed out clearly that you no longer cycle, I see no point in you using this forum as a platform to shout your contemptuous and mocking suggestions.

I suggest you keep to your last statement where you suggest you cannot be bothered to respond any further to the Thorn paint post as I for one can certainly vote for the fact that I have just about had enough of reading your utter balderdash to the point that if you continue to remain on this forum then I for one will be leaving….

Apart from the not taking part because he no longer cycles, i have to agree.  I've kept my opinions to myself since i joined, but yet again a discussion about Johns manners and attitude has emerged.

If you can't say anything helpful, why bother saying anything at all?  If i was Manuel and read that reply, i would think "Fun you, ear hole" and not return.

John, whatever chip you have on your shoulder, it is souring your attitude and making the place unpleasant for others.  You are, to put it politely, a flipping twit. Why not be  friendly and considerate - surely this would be the best way to keep a link with the cycling community?
 
I've had enough of it.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year of cycling to you all!

Cheers, Gary.

[jimmer]

Expr, Not a fan club, just a / be mused onlookers. Sorry you've decided to bail as your posts were of the greatest interest. Any chance of reconsidering? James

[peter jenkins]

Are you there Expr?

I support Jimmer in his comments. Come back and enjoy the fun while giving us the benefit of your input.

Jimmer and Bearbait's emails wern't fanmail by my reading.

Cheers,

pj

[Bearbait]

Mine was certainly not meant to be fan mail.  I'm sorry it could have been read as so and be a part of Expr's departure.  Come back - we miss you!

[PH]

  as John points out in his earlier post ( a little shrilly I thought?)

ALL bike manufactures except tiddlers such as Mercian etc do the same with the same powder!
 

I think (With a bit more reading!) you'll find that John is wrong on this as well.  ALL the major manufacturers use paint rather than powder coat, for bulk production it works out cheaper and less labout intensive. 
Pack on thread... The powder coat on my Raven was OK, better than some frames I've had but not as good as others.  It was a bit prone to stone chips, nothing drastic, just not as good as I was hoping.

[Relayer]

I think (With a bit more reading!) you'll find that John is wrong on this as well.  ALL the major manufacturers use paint rather than powder coat, for bulk production it works out cheaper and less labout intensive. 
Pack on thread... The powder coat on my Raven was OK, better than some frames I've had but not as good as others.  It was a bit prone to stone chips, nothing drastic, just not as good as I was hoping.

I agree PH, In my opinion John can be somewhat blinkered in his point of view. 

To clarify, powdercoat may well be more durable than enamel (I am no expert and don't have time to do extensive research), but in my opinion my RST powdercoat does not look as good as an enamel flamboyant or pearl finish.  Further, if my enamel were to fall off I can get the frame restored quite easily without breaking the bank.

Essentially this is the same as comparing a Rohloff hub with a Campagnolo [work of art] transmission, each has its strengths and weaknesses - it depends what you are looking for.  In my case, I have both and they both do their job.   

To summarise: Thorn/Rohloff is very good kit, but admiration for that does not merit trashing any alternative suggestions.


P.S. I  also hope expr and Cake come back

[travelling]

I know I will get in trouble for this so for the mods who will have to deal with it  I apologise

John. Illness or no illness you seem to upset more people than any other member on this forum and you sir.... are an arse hat

It's about time the mods banned you permanently.. You have had short term bans before and clearly they have not worked... Mods you have given John several chances only for him to abuse the second/third and umpteenth chances.

[Fred A-M]

Hold on a mo Expr. One of the things that keeps me coming back to the forum is to see what new offence John or Fred have caused.

James

Bemused to see my good name dragged into this twice - fear not James, I'm still here.   

John, I'm don't quite understand what I'm supposedly agreeing with you about despite not having made any contribution to the thread? 

Ref paintwork, I've found the powdercoat on my nearly 5 year old RST to be fine, not perfect, but love the finish and it seems reasonably hard wearing.   

Personally,  I don't think John is worth leaving the forum for and I hope Xpr and Cake do return as I agree they are valuable contributors.

Merry Xmas!