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Danneaux

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New SON Ladelux...Holy Grail of Dynamo Lighting/Charging?
« on: July 27, 2025, 02:19:51 AM »
Introductory article from Rene Herse here...

https://www.renehersecycles.com/son-ladelux-high-low-beam-headlights/

Best, Dan.

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Re: New SON Ladelux...Holy Grail of Dynamo Lighting/Charging?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2025, 07:13:29 AM »
That looks like a great piece of kit Dan. I'll have a deep dive into the detail. Thanks for sharing.
Now, if someone can come up wiith a solution that nuke's High-beam Harry's daylight laser  i'd be grateful!

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Re: New SON Ladelux...Holy Grail of Dynamo Lighting/Charging?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2025, 11:07:28 AM »
What a fantastic bit of kit, but also what a price $465 (£350)
I've long been a fan of having a high and low beam, but it's easily achieved with two lights, dynamo for the low and battery for the high, that also gives the benefit of redundancy and a torch!  Once the novelty of a high powered front light wore off, it's surprising how little I'll use it, though it's very useful for those times I do, I've never flattened the battery on an overnight ride and a small powerbank would re-charge it enough for an additional three nights. I also have a hub USB charger, it's a back up, I've never needed it yet.
So for me, despite the wonder of the thing, this light has no appeal.  I do note that even the low beam is claimed to be brighter, so maybe there's an Edelux III on the way?

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Re: New SON Ladelux...Holy Grail of Dynamo Lighting/Charging?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2025, 12:49:37 PM »
Looks very good.  It appears to fill in some of the shortcomings of the B&M Luxos U (now discontinued) headlight that has a USB charger, small cache battery, and high beam.

This new light pulls much more power out of the hub than the Luxos U and is more durable.  That said, I am making assumptions here because I have not seen one.

Sinewave is in competition here for USB charging in a light.  I only mention it because if someone was looking to buy a high end light, that is something they might want to research before they buy.

For bike touring, I really prefer a separate USB charger from the light.  I use the hub powered Cycle2Charge USB charger.  Before I bought that I used the Sinewave Revolution USB charger.
  • When I travel with my S&S coupled bike that requires complete disassembly for packing, I do not bring a hub powered headlight, instead use one that is powered from my powerbank by USB cable.  My dynohub is used 100 percent for battery charging by USB charger.  Taillight is battery powered.
  • On my light touring bike where I have lights fitted, I use the B&M IQ-XS.  It is adequate for lighting for riding on improved roads, rail trails, tow paths, etc.  And when I am charging batteries, which on a tour is most of the time, that light is off.  Also use battery powered taillight flasher.

I do not feel any drag when I am charging batteries from my USB charger or when using the lights.  But if I drew 12 watts out of the hub, I am confident that I would feel the additional drag.  The USB charging electronics and LED lighting is extremely efficient, very few watts are wasted with modern electronics.  But from what I have seen the hubs are not very efficient and have almost twice the drag in watts as the wattage output.  If their electronics can somehow solve that problem, that would be great.  But if hubs continue to be this inefficient, I would probably prefer to stick with my current (pun unintended) electronics that draw fewer watts.

It is nice to know what is out there, so I will likely watch this with interest.  But, I am going to keep using the equipment that I have, not looking to buy anything new for lighting or USB charging.  I doubt that I will change my mind and decide to buy it.

That said, if I was in a race like the great divide where sometimes I might want some high powered lighting for slower speeds on rough undulating trails, I could see something like this as exactly what I would want.  That is if the drag is not too great to impair my speed in a race.

I agree with PH, a good light with cutoff that is powered by dynohub, and separate battery powered light that has a beam that extends higher could come in useful for some riding.  For example, when I am riding down into a small valley, picking up up speed as I go downhill, but the distance in front of me that I can see is shortened because the road is bending upwards towards the other side of the valley above my cutoff beam.  In that case, a high beam without cutoff that is battery powered can be quite useful to identify any pavement problems, etc.  The Ladelux appears to have that in one package, otherwise you need two lights to accomplish that.


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Re: New SON Ladelux...Holy Grail of Dynamo Lighting/Charging?
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2025, 03:14:55 AM »
Something that hasn't been mentioned before in this thread is the weight and drag of rechargeable batteries v. the weight and drag of a hub. I know about this because in the days before there were any grown-up bicycle lamps available (the first ones were BUMM's first series Cyo lamps; the need for rear lamps was better served by Cateye's LD-1000 series well before the birth of the Cyo), I used to make my own superior bicycle lamps from decorator's track lamps available in 6V and 12V in a physical size which glued elegantly into the smallest repainted Roma tomato paste tin, the 6V for the dimmed lamp, the 12V for the main lamp. A two position medical silver-contact toggle switch, of which I had plenty because I used these Swiss items for building up-market tube hi-fi prototypes for the Japanese market, switched the fast-work lamp in and out, and an in-line motion switch switched both lamps on, and a timer cut both out if the bike was stationary for six minutes or so; the 6V lamp was on whenever the bike moved, thus also used as a daylight running lamp. Their reflectors were round, but I cut plastic to glue on to control the cast shape of the light, with a top cutoff higher at the left than at the right so as to see low-flying tree trunks and read road signs -- we ride on the left here, not on the right of the road as Americans do. These lamps, strictly as lamps, were and are superior even to the Cyo on many aspects (utility of light shape on my roads, amount of light, etc), but all the same I abandoned them right smartly in favor of the Cyo when it appeared.

Why? Because the battery bottles hogged cages and their weight dragged even a non-weight weenie like me down, besides which, if I stayed out all night, as I often did (I have an extra-pale skin, so I need to stay out of UV light as much as possible, and I'm anyway a bohemian night-owl), I'd always find myself short of light in the last hour before dawn, just when the farmers and their dangerous heavy equipment start hurtling around the lanes where I ride. Besides being lighter, the hub generator was also positioned lower down, which matters for control in downhill speeding.

So the point I'm making is that anyone in the market for better lamps with recharging on tour, should be comparing like with like: all the weight added by one system with all the weight of the other system for the same number of hours and amount of light. I think you'll discover that the hub generator system offers the most security for the least weight/drag.

Of course any BUMM system will be more expensive than anything you or another manufacturer can build, but that's just the way of the world. Not to mention the ludicrous lack of simple, cheap, desirable characteristics for a lamp on a bicycle, like water-resistance -- over twenty years ago, my DIY lamps above could be used in any orientation and were waterfast to 10ATM for a little thought and a thruppenny O-ring. But hey, it's lèse majesté to criticize BUMM...

PS: I don't think the price will remain at the artificial scarcity level of 350 Euro, but I won't be surprised if it settles at well north of 200 Euro. One wonders what the town health inspector, who did his rounds on a bicycle when I was boy, and on whose cast-off bike ridden to school by his son I learned to ride in return for helping him with his Algebra and Latin, would think of a bicycle lamp, no matter how super-duper, at "well north of [the equivalent of more than 400 pounds sterling back then]".

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Re: New SON Ladelux...Holy Grail of Dynamo Lighting/Charging?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2025, 08:38:10 PM »
Modern rechargeable lithium batteries and power banks are very light and small for their capacity and give a negligible weight or drag penalty if sensibly mounted.    Very different to the large, heavy, short lived batteries we used years ago! 

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Re: New SON Ladelux...Holy Grail of Dynamo Lighting/Charging?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2025, 02:59:12 PM »
Modern rechargeable lithium batteries and power banks are very light and small for their capacity and give a negligible weight or drag penalty if sensibly mounted.    Very different to the large, heavy, short lived batteries we used years ago!
Yes, the efficiency case for dynamos has I think long past, not just battery capacity but also the low consumption of LEDs. My Raven started life with state of the art twin SON E6 halogen lights, I thought them fantastic, the same output from batteries would have required several kg on an overnighter. Now I don't think you can buy lights that dim! The case for dynamo lighting is, more than ever, that of convenience.  It may be possible to do LEL with battery lights and a 500g power bank, but you have to calculate worst case scenarios and stick to them. There a growing trend in ultra racing to use a dynamo for charging, and batteries for lighting.  That obviously involves some loss of efficiency, but you get to choose when you take that loss, rather than have it dictated by lighting conditions.  This new light from SON is interesting, but IMO ten years too late.  The same outcome can be achieved at lower cost (I doubt it will ever be produced in the volume to bring the price down significantly) with the advantages of stand alone components and redundancy.  I consider this light to be a prestige project, I'd be surprised if it became a commercial success, I wouldn't be surprised if the folks at SON never expected it to be.