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hendrich

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Hope vented rotor, Klamper caliper on a Rohloff hub
« on: May 31, 2025, 02:47:20 PM »
Perhaps of interest to others... I machined a spacer (1.5 mm) for a Klamper caliper to allow use of a Hope vented rotor (3.3 mm) on our Rohloff hub and it all works well. Hope was not interested in making a cabled caliper and Klamper was not interested in modifying their caliper. I like the Klamper caliper because it is strong with no plastic parts susceptible to melting and easy to disassemble for cleaning. I prefer to not have hydraulics on a touring bike.

We tour in areas with steep descents at times on a tandem loaded with camping gear, etc. I have always been keen on more braking for heat dissipation, so this will help.

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Re: Hope vented rotor, Klamper caliper on a Rohloff hub
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2025, 02:12:17 AM »
Hello,

I stumbled on this post since I considered trying out this unusual combination. Could you please elaborate a bit on what the shim is needed for? With my calliper measurements it seems like the clamper would have enough opening to allow this massive disc to clear. Will fresh pads be able to retract enough?

Any pictures and details around this spacer also be much appreciated!

Have you had any experience with Santana's massive 10" rotor? I don't believe it exist for Rohloff. What about Santana's tandem specific calliper? Heard mixed comments.

Thanks
Eric

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Re: Hope vented rotor, Klamper caliper on a Rohloff hub
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2025, 02:08:09 PM »
The modified Klamper on a Rohloff with Hope vented rotor worked well after many significant down slopes (>8%) with our heavily loaded tandem (camping on tour). We have 2 canti rim brakes in addition to the disc on the Rohloff.  The Klamper caliper will not clear the Hope 3.3 mm rotor. I would call it a spacer, not a shim. The spacer should be at least 1.5 mm. Below is a drawing of the important parts of the caliper and a pic showing the result.

The metal buttons that hold the outer SS disc ring onto the Al carrier of the Hope disk came very close to the body of the caliper. This meant that the caliper had to be precisely centered else the buttons might scrape on the caliper body. The buttons rotate past the rear end of the caliper. In addition to machining the spacer from SS stock, I machined 20 mils off the rear end of the caliper body so that the arc of the buttons has significant clearance from the caliper body. That made positioning of the caliper much easier. It may be that a 2 mm spacer would result in sufficient clearance from the buttons so that you would not need to take of the 20 mils off of the body.

Don't know about the Santana rotor, the Hope rotor is the only vented rotor that can be attached to a Rohloff. All because of the much effort and testing of Thorn to find a disc brake suitable for a heavy tandem with a Rohloff. Thorn pairs this with a Hope hydraulic caliper, but hydraulics are a hassle with a break apart bike and for touring.


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Re: Hope vented rotor, Klamper caliper on a Rohloff hub
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2025, 02:45:00 AM »
Hi,

Thanks you for showing your solutions for this. But I'm not fully understanding where this spacer goes? Is its sandwiched between the two halves of the Paul calliper to make the opening bigger? It's difficult to see on the picture...

I know that the hope rotor rivets can sometimes be a pain and rub on some non hope brakes. But did you really machine 20mm of the Klamper? That's lots.

I sent an inquire to Hope regarding this and it seems like they no longer make theses Rohloff rotors. It's a shame. SJS have a few in stock and that might be it... The Rohloff branded 220 rotor is 2.3mm thick. That might be a simpler, cheaper solution...

Thank you again for showing this. I love quirky mods.

Like this one of someone adapting a Magura rotor for the Rohloff! This is just a mockup 3d print, plan was to make it out of aluminium...

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Re: Hope vented rotor, Klamper caliper on a Rohloff hub
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2025, 01:53:17 PM »
Thanks you for showing your solutions for this. But I'm not fully understanding where this spacer goes? Is its sandwiched between the two halves of the Paul calliper to make the opening bigger? It's difficult to see on the picture...

I know that the hope rotor rivets can sometimes be a pain and rub on some non hope brakes. But did you really machine 20mm of the Klamper? That's lots.

I sent an inquire to Hope regarding this and it seems like they no longer make theses Rohloff rotors. It's a shame. SJS have a few in stock and that might be it... The Rohloff branded 220 rotor is 2.3mm thick. That might be a simpler, cheaper solution...

Hi, yes you are correct, it is sandwiched between the two halves of the caliper body. Sorry, I did not take a picture of only the spacer. You can see the top portion of the SS spacer sticking out from the caliper. I milled off "20 mils" or 0.020 inches (its a machining unit, not millimeters) from the rear portion of the caliper body, which is a negligible amount of the total caliper width, but a significant amount for clearance of the buttons. I suspect that with a 2mm spacer, the clearance is good. A mill is not needed, you could make the spacer with a hacksaw, drill and files. It must not extend further towards the rotor than the parts of the caliper in the drawing. I could roughly draw it but it sounds like you have other ideas.

Sad if Hope has discontinued it. I did not buy from SJS. I may try to buy another rotor before all out of stock.
Mike

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Re: Hope vented rotor, Klamper caliper on a Rohloff hub
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2025, 08:05:39 PM »
I think 0.020” is ‘twenty thou’ (twenty thousandths of an inch) in old money