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in4

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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2025, 03:24:46 PM »
I may have misunderstood but the flyer mentions a stainless steel EBB. Does that mean that the two securing bolts will still be used? I wondered if stainless steel might be too tough for that and another solution will feature? TIA

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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2025, 06:56:46 PM »
I may have misunderstood but the flyer mentions a stainless steel EBB. Does that mean that the two securing bolts will still be used? I wondered if stainless steel might be too tough for that and another solution will feature? TIA
The EBB shell, that's a part of the frame, is already stainless steel on the Nomad and the Mercury, probably also on older models but I'm not sure.  It's a clamp style EBB system, you may be more familiar with the set screw system and maybe confusing the shell with the insert (The removable bit)  if in doubt, have a look at the current Thorn brochures.
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in4

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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2025, 09:19:00 PM »
Thanks, I thought that was the case.

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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2025, 10:18:23 PM »
I spoke with a guy outside SJS last week.  He had just ordered a Nomad.  He wanted to do what sounded like lightweight short tours.  I could not understand why he had ordered a Nomad over this, but the customer is always right.

It looks good - but I can not see how the frame splits for a belt?
Shame no 26” wheel option - in medium and smaller frames 700 wheels always seem too large and I am not sure how universal 650 is.

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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2025, 10:45:45 AM »
He had just ordered a Nomad.  He wanted to do what sounded like lightweight short tours.  I could not understand why he had ordered a Nomad over this, but the customer is always right.

How much of a weight and maneuverability difference can there be? From the description of the Mercury 40, it sounds like a fairly beefy frame. Inversely, the Nomad Mk3 feels like a somewhat lighter and snappier bike than the tank that was the Nomad Mk2. My impression is that a rider who gets either one is going to find a similar feel and reliability.

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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2025, 10:49:55 AM »
I spoke with a guy outside SJS last week.  He had just ordered a Nomad.  He wanted to do what sounded like lightweight short tours.  I could not understand why he had ordered a Nomad over this, but the customer is always right.
This isn't available yet, I don't know when expected, so the choice from current stock would have been Nomad or Mercury if they have one in the size.  Depending on the build, load and rider, I might have gone either way. The brochure for a 700c Nomad says "The Nomad Mk3 AB 700c Special actually weighs less than a Mercury 700c  set up to carry the same payload." The load in question being 24kg, so a Nomad with 853 fork is lighter than a Mercury with a touring fork and front rack.  Weight isn't everything of course, they ride quite differently, but similar enough that I changed my Nomad to 650B to lessen the overlap. 
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I can not see how the frame splits for a belt?
The split on the Nomad is above the dropout on the RH seat stay,  I assume the stay just pulls apart enough to slip the belt through, I haven't undone mine, I don't have a belt. It looks like this fitting:
https://metal-guru.com/products/belt-drive-seat-stay-splitter-19mm

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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2025, 09:06:31 PM »
Ah yes PH, in the photo that fitting is on that RH stay just above rear disc level and painted over.   I was expecting something more obvious.

The Thorn bible seems to suggest that the Mercury MKIII is more suited for lightweight touring than the Nomad while the Nomad is better for heavy loaded tours……..if the Nomad does everything well then why is the Mercury made?

Good point that the Mercury 40 is not yet available!
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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2025, 10:45:10 AM »
The Thorn bible seems to suggest that the Mercury MKIII is more suited for lightweight touring than the Nomad while the Nomad is better for heavy loaded tours……..if the Nomad does everything well then why is the Mercury made?
There's the physics (aerodynamics, rolling resistance, weight, power) which says if you keep them constant the outcome will be the same, and if you change any of them the outcome could be calculated, it would be foolish to argue any different. 
Then there's the subjective stuff, I'm happy to give my opinion, I'm not at all bothered if someone has a different one!  I can do everything on my Nomad, even in it's different build, that I can on my Mercury, it's a very versatile bike.  My Mercury is far less versatile, I consider it to be, as it was first marketed, a Sports Tourer.  It handles sharper, it makes a twisty decent that would be dull on the Nomad exciting. It feels more responsive, which in turn encourages more spirited riding. But loaded up, even within Thorn's limits, it feels flexy and less stable. Even without luggage it doesn't feel as sure footed on bad surfaces.  it's more engaging to ride, which can be exactly what you want, or what you're trying to avoid. Both are comfortable in different ways, the Mercury makes average tarmac feel silky smooth, the Nomad less so but irons out larger imperfections. I feel more detached from the Nomad, sat on rather than in, which may be due to less BB drop. I'm close to the Mercury rider weight limit and riding the largest size, I'd be surprised if a smaller lighter rider didn't have a different experience, the physics are different, how much effect that has on the subjective stuff is an unknown.
The Mercury is my favorite bike to ride, yet the Nomad is my most ridden bike (That was the same way round when I had an Audax and a Raven).  I'm glad I have both, but if I could only have one it would have to be the Nomad.

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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2025, 09:28:36 PM »
Sort of like a sports car vs family saloon?
Both have 4 wheels and can carry gear but the sports car feels……sporty (even if it has the same engine as the family saloon).

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Re: (News of) New Thorn Mercury 40 prototype, destined for production
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2025, 11:09:35 AM »
Sort of like a sports car vs family saloon?
Yes, it's basically like anything in life, the better something is at one speciality, the less versatile it's likely to be.  That's not a bad thing, the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none" is sometimes taken to be derogatory, yet that all-rounder Jack is often just what's needed.