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in4

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Re proofing Carradice panniers
« on: January 05, 2025, 02:10:02 PM »
Anyone used the Nikwax alternative to waterproof wax products?
I’m wondering if the Nikwax product is more effectively applied than the usual cloth, wax and hairdryer solution.

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mickeg

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Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2025, 11:42:49 AM »
I was unaware that they made such a product.

I have been using other Nik Wax products for years, primarily on my leather hiking boots.  And that is still my go-to treatment for leather boots.

Let us know if you use it and how it works out.

Andre Jute

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Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2025, 04:54:57 AM »
I've used Nikwax not on Carradice but on my Berghaus mountain jacket, which is just nylon canvas with a layer of Goretex on the inside. The way it works best is to wash the jacket in the washing machine, put it through the dryer at the approved temperature on the label, and to apply the Nikwax in a light layer when it is bone-dry. Just the hot-air drying already improves the waterproofing, the Nikwax improves the waterproofing further -- but also makes the jacket hotter because it interferes with the passing through of moisture. On the whole, I prefer just the washing and hot-air drying as more comfortable but that is not a full day's waterproofing, while the Nikwax lasts longer.

That sort of slight fluffiness on the weather side of tightly woven nylon (or whatever polypropylene) is apparently a major part of waterproofing with breathability, according to a plastics specialist* who once climbed one of the Irish mountains with us.

* He came with us only once because he was an Englishman over here on a local consulting job but I remember him because he told a really good joke. He said of a sleepy town we drove through on the way to the mountain, "Dunmanway is a town so dull, at six o'clock every evening the council rolls up the pavement."

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Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2025, 09:01:53 AM »
I’ve never used sprays like nikwax. My only thought is that the hot wax treatment 😬 MIGHT be more effective than a spray at penetrating the seams and other stitching  on the bags.

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Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2025, 10:59:51 AM »
Reply from Nikwax:

After consulting with the Lab Department they have advised that the link you provided shows that the pannier is made of waxed cotton and therefore if the care label allows washing in the machine, use Tech Wash initially as this will remove the dirt/dust and other contaminants that would hinder the reproofing process. Once cleaned then spray with Wax Cotton Proof.

How effective it is compared to wax I don’t know.

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Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2025, 08:58:03 PM »
The Carradice wax works well, I haven't had any reason to try anything else. 
You have to be careful not to over wash canvas, whatever proofer you put on is likely to stick better to previous applications, so you don't want to wash them completely away.  I tend to use a wet sponge rather than submerge and soak, just plain water.  If that wasn't enough, then pure liquid soap is pretty much as good as any technical wash.

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Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2025, 09:55:21 PM »
After further thought I've decided not to pursue the Nikwax option. The product may work and possibly be easier to apply. However, I dont think its a good idea to wash my panniers (or Camper Longflap) Any remaining wax/waterproofing and er fabric integrity might be affected.

Wax, rag  and hairdrier it is!

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Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2025, 11:39:26 AM »
Thanks for the update.

I think the fabric that they use is stiff enough that washing in a washing machine would not be a great idea.  And my Carradice saddle bags have a lining fabric that might not handle washing machine agitation very well, which would make me hesitant to try it.

I think they make great stuff that I use for leather boots, but that is a different application, different materials, etc.


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Re: Re proofing Carradice panniers
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2025, 12:58:05 PM »
I had a couple of Carradice saddlebags which went mouldy. 

I contacted Carradice to ask for advice on how to salvage them, but they were unable to help. 

I was initially going to bin them, but then thought I'd see if I could do anything with them. 

I first brushed them down using white vinegar (to help kill the mould). 

My memory is vague on the next step, but I think I washed them on a gentle cycle in the washing machine in order to remove the vinegar and its smell.  I would not have used detergent, but may have used Tec Wash. 

After that, I applied liberal doses of black DucksWax which I bought online (instructions on how to apply to waxed cotton are here http://www.duckswax.co.uk/index.php/how-to-apply-duckswax )

They came up pretty well.  One of the saddlebags had less use than the other, which is slightly more broken-in looking, but I don't think either now look noticeably worse than a typical used Carradice, and I don't think there's any trace of the mould which had previously covered them.