Author Topic: Club Tour or XTC?  (Read 7984 times)

BEKTECH

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 2
Club Tour or XTC?
« on: August 05, 2007, 11:59:56 AM »
I’m cycling to work on a very old and tired Saracen, it’s the only bike I have ever ridden (since adulthood) and I cover 14 miles each day, 5 days a week. Our office is soon to move which will increase my total commute to 20 miles each day through the back roads in Kent.

I would be very interested to hear feedback from owners of XTC and Club Tour bikes to try to help me choose between them. Is it worth paying £500 more to have an XTC??

Also is it true; are 26” wheels the way to go? I’m on 26” at the moment but up until I found Thorn cycles have always been lead to believe 700 was the way to go?

One last thing, the equipment, up to recently I was considering a Dawes Ultra Galaxy which uses Shimano XT equipment, is it worth paying the extra to upgrade from LX to XT considering the bike is used every day, I’m 15 stone and carry a Topeak rack bag (I might also be doing some light camping later on)?

Thanks in advance.

Daniel
 

Al Downie

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 33
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2007, 01:59:49 PM »
I don't want to make your decision harder... but have you seen that the Nomad is currently on special offer at £999?

Regarding the LX-XT issue, I've been doing some reading and I'm not sure that the XT  V-brakes are a good idea - I don't doubt their stopping power, but they seem to have lots of fiddly little parts which have led to questions about their robustness. If you have the choice, it might be worth fitting the best components from many manufacturers rather than buying XT across the board. Have a look at the reviews on http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/
 

john28july

  • Guest
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2007, 04:37:05 PM »
Hello,
I have both Thorn wheel sized bikes. A Sherpa and a Club Tour. I have owned a Nomad which is similar to the XTC. Choose your preference for wheel size and buy a Thorn, you will be happy with either!
The 26" wheelers are maybe a little tougher and more comfortable over long distances.
John.
www.pbase.com/john28july

PH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2402
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2007, 05:33:12 PM »
You seem to be comparing apples with pears.  Everything I’ve heard about the XTC suggests it’s a fast, lightweight tourer more comparable to the Audax models.  The Club Tour is a full on tourer, its 26” wheel equivalent would probably be the Sherpa or Nomad.
700c Vs 26” – I’ve got both and notice very little difference.  You’d have to be racing or going round the world before they became significant.  There is more choice in lightweight rims and tyres in the 700c size, at the other extreme you’d be better of with 26”.  The overlap in the middle suites most people. Aesthetically I much prefer 700c, especially on a large frame.  
Components – Some things are worth upgrading, hubs, bottom bracket and headset come to mind.  Sometimes with other bits the extra money buys you lighter and better looking kit, it doesn’t necessarily work better. I have some cheap Nexave bits (derailleurs, chainset and brake levers) that function as well as my XT stuff.    
If you decide on the lightweight option, it’d be worth waiting to see what the new Audax model looks like.

EDIT - and welcome to the forum[;)]
« Last Edit: August 05, 2007, 05:34:56 PM by PH »

stevew

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 26
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2007, 02:01:58 PM »
For trouble / maintenance free rim brakes, what about Maguras?
I have them on my tourer and find them perfect.

As far as wheel size is concerned I don't think it makes any difference.  I have 18" and 28" on two different touring bikes and they both roll as easy as each other.  More important is your tyre and pressure choice.  Given the same tyre and pressure on 26" and 28" (700c) I really don't think any human will be able to feel the difference. You may prefer the look of one over the other ! !
« Last Edit: August 06, 2007, 02:08:02 PM by stevew »
 

BEKTECH

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 2
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2007, 07:40:07 PM »
Thanks for your replies. As my frame will be a 595 (XL) or similar, I always felt it better suited (in looks) with the 700 wheels too but I think function must take precedence over form in this case. Trouble is, Thorn have done such a good job on their webb site, and there is almost too much choice! Looking at the XTC with XT equipment, I could go for the Raven Sport Tour with the Rohloff hub. I think I need to save a few more pennies and then take a trip down there and see if I can get a test ride.
Thanks again.
Daniel
 

bike_the_planet

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 75
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2007, 01:20:37 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by BEKTECH

Thanks for your replies. As my frame will be a 595 (XL) or similar, I always felt it better suited (in looks) with the 700 wheels too but I think function must take precedence over form in this case. Trouble is, Thorn have done such a good job on their webb site, and there is almost too much choice! Looking at the XTC with XT equipment, I could go for the Raven Sport Tour with the Rohloff hub. I think I need to save a few more pennies and then take a trip down there and see if I can get a test ride.
Thanks again.
Daniel



My experience: My wife's Club Tour is a sturdy classic touring bike. Very forgiving handling even when fully loaded, but moderately sprightly unloaded. I have an xTc and a Nomad. My XL size xTc still feels lighter than the missus' medium size Club Tour. But then the xTc is designed as a lightweight touring bike and not a medium/heavy tourer like the CT.

With light rims and narrow tyres the xTc is a fast machine. My only concern, as I have expressed before in these pages, is the long-termavailability of 26" rims that are not disc-specific.

And as others have mentioned above, there are Rohloff equivalents, eg the Raven sport, a bit like the xTc and of course the Raven Nomad for heavy touring.

Cheers
 

macspud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 730
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2011, 04:45:05 PM »
Hello bike_the_planet,
I am looking at getting a second hand xTc.
I was trying to get info on it but the pdf is no longer available to download from SJS.
Since you have the largest xTc which is also the one that is available could you tell me the dimentions.
I ask as I am not sure that it will fit me as I am 6'5" with 36" leg.
Any info would be appreciated.
Kind regards,
Iain.

sg37409

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 166
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2011, 10:39:19 PM »
This is my XTC
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24775321@N02/4813026529/in/set-72157613419718179
I am 6'1.
It was bought as a drop-bar'd bike so I suspect it was a short toptube sized of the 2nd biggest. Its the short-wheelbase version
In the above guise, its these dimensions.
   XTC
Top of saddle – b/b centre   786   
Bar width c/c   510 * (now flat bars)
c/bars – saddle tip   565
c/bars – saddle tip (1)   565
saddle height   1032
c/bars height   950
stem   105
b/b height   280
Weight    13.24

I also have a Raven sport tour which I think was a 586 S
It looks like this, http://www.flickr.com/photos/24775321@N02/5087695236/in/set-72157625053003211/
fits me as well as the XTC and has these dimensions

Top of saddle – b/b centre   791
Top of saddle – b/b centre (1)   797
Bar width c/c   400
Bar width outside hoods   430
c/bars – saddle tip   570
c/bars – saddle tip (1)   567
Saddle tip – hoods   715
saddle height   1035
c/bars height   960
stem   110
b/b height   285
set back   122
Weight    15.33

I'd say the XTC is the more comfortable.

SPARSONS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2011, 11:12:48 PM »
Iain Mcspud,
I've sent you an email with the XTC brochure and a review attached.
Cheers,
Steve
 

SPARSONS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2011, 11:16:31 PM »
Daniel,
Having had an XTC in size 595L and now riding a 595S Club Tour, I'd say that the Club Tour is the one to go for, especially if you're looking to use narrow tyres, eg 35mm/equivelent. It just looks better with the larger frame sizes, everything is more in proportion!
Cheers,
Steve
 

macspud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 730
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2011, 11:47:24 PM »
Thank you both for your posts, your input is much appreciated.
Time for some close inspection to see if I can work out if I'd fit onto one comfortably.
Thank you Steve for the email with the xTc brochure pdf, just what I needed.
Thorn brochures have been getting many hours of reading/inspection leading to more hours of day dreaming..
More reading/dreaming coming up.
Cheers,
Iain.

Safiraya

  • Guest
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2011, 10:21:38 PM »


Andre Jute

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4134
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2011, 12:44:24 AM »
Steve says:"For trouble / maintenance free rim brakes, what about Maguras?
I have them on my tourer and find them perfect."

They work flawlessly and in three years and 5000km mine have not required any service or adjustment.

BEKTECH says: "Looking at the XTC with XT equipment, I could go for the Raven Sport Tour with the Rohloff hub."

Unless you're going to miss servicing all those fiddly derailleur bits... It hardly seems a choice worth stating, especially for a heavy commuter. Don't spend a penny until you've taken a test ride on a Rohloff-hubbed bike.

The way I see it, whenever you've found your flavour and fit of bike that is equipped with a Rohloff hub gearbox, Magura rim hydraulics and a Brooks saddle, there you've pitched your top necessary expenditure. Any other bike must compete by being both significantly more functional and cheaper. It's an impossible demand.

That said, I'm not a commuter and I don't have a roadie background; you'll definitely look more elegant on 622mm wheels than on 26in wheels, that is, if you don't stick balloon tyres on them as I did, see the URL under my sig, and make them look smaller than they are.

Andre Jute
http://coolmainpress.com/BICYCLING.html

Danneaux

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8287
  • reisen statt rasen
Re: Club Tour or XTC?
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2011, 04:31:38 AM »
My two cents' worth...

Apart from the fact I needed a heavier-duty frame (Sherpa in my case), the real advantage of 26" wheels for me is the greater strength made possible by their smaller diameter and the larger selection of tires in a variety of wider widths.  You can readily source 26" tires from roughly 32mm to 50+...and have them fit within the forks and stays.  Furthermore, the smaller wheels virtually eliminate the possibility of toe-fender overlap, a very important characteristic for me, as I tend to snake up 24% grades in low gear with a lot of front-wheel movement as I slog along antelope trails fully loaded.  Your needs might be different, of course.

As a roadie, the "look" struck me as a bit strange and ungainly at first, but I have adjusted and now my 700c-wheeled road bikes look spindly and ungainly in comparison. 

Previous to the Sherpa, my only experience with 26" wheels has been on my Burley Rock 'n' Roll road tandem (converted to road orientation with drop 'bars).  Holding constant for tires of similar construction, I do believe 700C and 26" roll comparably on smooth surfaces.  I also believe the smaller overall diameter of the 26" tend to fall into gaps and potholes that are more easily bridged by the larger 700C tires, but...!  The 26-inchers have fatter tires and can be run at lower pressures and still roll efficiently while providing a lot more cushion and comfort for the rider, so it is probably a wash overall on poor surfaces as well, with the edge going to to the fatter-tired 26-inchers.  I am one of those people who always used a road bike off-road (non-competitive cyclocross, fire trails, loaded touring, pretty much anything).  It was hard at times, but built a good skillset.  That all changed when I took the Sherpa to some of the same places.  Equipped with 26x2.0 Schwalbe Duremes instead of 700x32C Bontrager Select Ks, it felt as if I could do the rides with my eyes closed -- it was just so easy.  Much, much easier.  I suppose the best of all worlds would be a twenty-niner (frame built to accept fat, 700C tires), but as it is, the 26-inch wheels seem the ideal for me overall. 

My two favorite bikes are each set up as all-rounders, one is a tourer with 700x32C (akin to the Club Tour in spec) and the other my new Sherpa with 26"x2.0.  I think they fill essentially the same overall niche, but one (Sherpa) definitely excels at the heavy end of the spectrum, whereas the other does not.  Lots of overlap in the middle of their respective ranges, especially for day rides, commutes, and when carrying reasonable loads.  For rough roads and heavy loads, the Sherpa wins it all.

And, for what it is worth equipment-wise, I am pleased with budget Deore on the Sherpa.  Compared to the 30 year-old friction stuff and 22 year-old indexed Deore I was used to, it is another world in terms of high function and design.  For me, it has been a tremendous value, presenting much of the functional performance of Shimano's higher-level kit while freeing up monetary resources for other things like onboard charging systems, the GPS, and a fresh set of panniers.  Deore also gave me steel inner and middle chainrings, which I expect to be an advantage in providing long wear and lower replacement costs given the gritty desert sands of my Great Basin tours.  While plain ol' Deore isn't on your list, I believe you'll find Shimano's lesser offerings still offer high function for great value.  As for the top-line stuff...there is indeed a positive difference in weight, feel, and function, but only incrementally, given the higher cost.

Does that help?  Hope so...

Best,

Dan.