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Bill C

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lightweight kit, ideas?
« on: December 28, 2015, 02:00:54 AM »
anyone else bought or tried the Sawyer mini filter?
i bought one awhile back as lightweight alternative to my katadyn pocket, I didn't expect much to be honest but after using it for all our drinking water for weeks i have to admit it's a really good bit of kit, it took the taint out of the water
 http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/8203-Mouldy-tasting-tap-water-North-Devon-sees/story-27765143-detail/story.html

if your wondering
sawyer mini 65g £24 posted
katadyn pocket 550g £200+

if you cut the bottom off of a 2l pet bottle it works pretty well as a gravity filter to  8)

tbh can't see the katadyn getting much use again

anybody else saving weight with new tech that is actually worth buying/using and not just marketing hype?




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Re: lightweight kit, ideas?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2015, 03:44:10 AM »
Hi Bill!

I've pretty well had it with filters because the constant vibration of the rough roads I ride seems to crack the ceramic filter elements, and some seemed to clog prematurely no matter how carefully I pre-filtered the water.

Instead, I switched some time ago to a SteriPen Classic UV water purifier. SteriPen's CR123R (rechargeable form of the CR123 battery; pretty difficult to find in rural areas in my neck of the woods) model is more compact, but not so easily charged by my Tout Terrain The Plug2+, B&M e-Werks or Joos solar panels, which do a nice job refilling my Eneloop AA cells through an Eneloop USB charger.

The SteriPen is not the lightest purification device, but it is one of the fastest by volume. I take chlorine and iodide pills as a backup and can also boil water, but for the fastest clean water, I've found nothing to beat a SteriPen, and it is impervious to clogging. To save weight, one can "rob" batteries from other gadgets to operate it, then recharge and restore the piles to the other devices after water chores are done. For my use, it is worthwhile to keep a set of fully charged Eneloop XX piles in the purifier so it is always ready to go and can be depended on for continued use when needed.

I always carry 6.5liters of water on the bike itself when desert touring, and usually boost that to 8l for an average day's *drinking* intake in desert heat. Cooking my dehydrated food requires more. In the hot season, I also pack two 10l MSR Dromedary bags, for a total water capacity of 26.5 to 28l to see me through 4-5 days without resupply. Given the volume, being able to purify water quickly by the liter every 3 minutes or so makes a big difference as I'm sitting in the hot sun refilling my water tanks. On the alpine and forest transits from my home in the Valley up over mountain passes to high desert plateaux, I can count on finding water in streams. Much of it is infected with various blastocysts (i.e. giardia) and some sources have water-borne hepatitis, but being able to zap-and-go quickly means I can carry less water *and* keep my average speed faster than if I had to wait 30+ minutes for chemicals to become fully effective in cold water or if I had to pump or wait for a gravity-fed (water bag) filter. This makes my SteriPen Classic the lightweight choice for my style of riding but it might not work as well for other locales.

I do have to be careful with the SteriPen in several circumstances:

• I pack it with the cover on in a neoprene sleeve so it is unlikely the UV bulb elements will break.

• I make sure I have fully charged high-capacity batteries on hand for it. The thing sucks alkaline disposables dry after just a couple uses, but has so far done very well for me using the high-capacity Eneloop XX cells. That's why I prefer to have a set dedicated just to the SteriPen. If I expect heavy use, I put the cells in the charger right after use so they'll be fully topped up if I need to purify more water in a few more hours.

• If water is unusually pure and lacks much in the way of native mineral content, I add a pinch of salt so the SteriPen contacts can make contact to start the UV light going.

• So far as I can tell, the SteriPen does nothing to alter the taste or color or smell of the water. The result is not always palatable, but I have not gotten sick after using it on some pretty sketchy water. Hold your nose, take a drink, and you're hydrated; mission accomplished.

• The SteriPen's indicator light is hard to see in bright sunlight, but critical. For this reason I have standardized on opaque black water bottles (Zιfal Magnum 1l) so I can actually see the UV bulb glow, nevermind the indicator light.

• As with any form of purification, it is critical to avoid cross-contamination. For dipping from crevices and toilet tanks, I use my silicone measuring/drinking cup, which is then disinfected afterward. The water is then dumped into the water bottle, being careful to avoid spillage onto the lid threads with the cap well away from the splash zone. The water is then zapped and the last step is to slosh some purified water over the threads before capping. I do the same with boiled or chemically treated water so the clean water and container are not cross-contaminated by the dirty water.

• If water is unusually turbid or dirty, I clear it in several ways so the SteriPen can zap effectively: By spin-swirling the bottle (crude centrifuge) so contaminants are thrown to the bottom and I can decant clearer water from the scoop container to the purification container, let it settle with time (a few minutes), or filter it through some pantyhose (ladies tights) which *always* go on my tours (cut off the trunk and they make sun sleeves, substitute for broken cargo straps, can be soaked in insect repellent and then donned, or used as a water filter, to keep produce together in my panniers,worn when cold, plus about a million other uses including as mouth and nose filters in dust storms for my desert travels). They are especially useful for skimming off algae from (cattle) stock tanks and livestock ponds. Though it may not always taste good, water contaminated by cattle urine and feces is safe to drink after the SteriPen has zapped it -- provided it is clear enough for the light to fully contact the (cleared) water. I'll sometimes zap it twice, all while swirling the bottle for the 90 seconds it takes to purify 1 liter.

• No filter will correct for alkali contamination in water, so I check my sources first by dipping a pH test strip in the water before attempting to zap it. If there is too much alkali, then I rely a bit longer on my reserves until I can find a more likely source. There is usually enough blowing alkali dust in the air to raise sores on my lips and around my nostrils (you can see an example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AISuUrSM74Q ), so I wouldn't relish drinking the stuff; it can scorch through and damage mucous membranes, not a good thing on tour.

I have no connection to the company and bought my own, finding success with the SteriPen Classic after some frustrating times with various filters and pumps. The Classic can be found for a pretty low price at season-end sales -- sometimes as little as USD$35-38 here in the States (what I paid, about £23-£26 *plus* shipping, which could add a good bit if sent to the UK). People generally avoid it in favor of the more expensive, more compact models, but I deliberately chose it for the AA cells.

Hopefully helpful as another data point to consider.

Best,

Dan.

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Re: lightweight kit, ideas?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2015, 02:13:45 PM »
I used a Steripen on my trip through Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan last summer.
No tummy bugs or upsets through water/ fluids.

I was only suck the once early on.
I made the mistake of eating strawberries from a market.
Despite washing them in clean water they came back at me.
I suspect contaminants came from the ground they were grown in.
Yep, go for the Steripen. But use properly and with care.
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Re: lightweight kit, ideas?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2015, 03:42:08 PM »
Hi Dan
many thanks for the reply, wasn't expecting such a detailed one, cow pee and poo, skimming algae from cattle troughs alkali dust storms lol
ever thought about getting the train somewhere a little nicer to tour? all sounds a bit to mad max /end of the world to me  ;) i'll look into the tights  :o , sounds like a useful bit of kit, and if i run out of cash i thought of another use for them  ;D
i had read about the steri pens but being the Luddite that i am didn't fancy batteries and bulbs, can't help it it's just me don't trust new fangled stuff, it took me awhile to buy into the sawyer mini, it got so many good reviews, only negative thing that was mentioned was don't let it freeze,
i thought i'd throw caution to the wind and try one, so far so good, the iffy water here for weeks proved to me it's worth the £24/65g so now part of the pack

also bought a new down sleeping bag dropped over 800g's on that compared to my "old" synthetic bag, http://sleepingbags-cumulus.eu/uk/categories/sleeping-bags/down-sleeping-bags/lite-line-300?gid=61&vid=6
they didn't sell to UK buyers so i had to buy via a different site

and a new 1 man inner tent for my golite hex/shangri la's saving another 500g http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/shelter-accessories/WB117.html
luckily the golite's are all i need from a tent so won't be changing them
i have a vargo triad that i have been playing with and have a strong urge for a vargo sierra cup  ::)
but i'm still looking to drop as much more weight as i can, without spending silly money shaving just a few grams

have been reducing the weight of the bike as much as i can but that's another topic
clothing seems to be the one area that i have no idea on saving weight, apart from taking as little as i can






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Re: lightweight kit, ideas?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2015, 10:05:20 PM »
Clothing.
Layering.
Easy.
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Re: lightweight kit, ideas?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2015, 10:51:54 PM »
Agreed with Matt -- layering sure beats single-purpose garments. When you can get three garments out of two (one, the other, and layered), that's a pretty good weight-savings right there.

I have realized my greatest weight savings in just this way. It is usually coldest at 4am on my trips (whatever heat the sun has baked into the earth is fully depleted and it is awhile before it comes 'round again), but I am usually in my sleeping bag until 4:50, when I start my day, so that is what I dress for. I try to take no more clothing for warmth than is needed then, so if I wear everything I have, I'll be warm enough with a small margin and the added warmth that comes from the exercise of riding. At night, it may mean sleeping with one spare pair of socks on my feet and another on my hands as mittens, for example.

I have made sure my riding clothing is brightly colored for visibility and my cold-weather clothing is black, to better absorb whatever heat is available from the sun even on cloudy days. I've found it does help. Sometimes, this means I will be riding in at least some black clothing, but a bright wind jacket can fix that.

A data point: One of my most valuable, most used, and most versatile items is a lightweight, breathable wind jacket. It multiplies the warmth of other clothing by breaking the wind, while still breathing so I don't get sweat-soaked. I can even vary its effects by where I place it in my layer "sandwich". Highly recommended. I am thinking wind jacket with detachable sleeves or cape, but that may come after my current jacket is worn out, and it has a few years left in it.

Rain gear is probably my most single-purposed tour clothing, but it is used on those cold mornings as extra insulation and wind-break in one, but it usually comes off as soon as I warm up so I don't get sweat-soaked (perspiration is the enemy of insulation).

For ages, I toured in Detto Pietro Article 74 racing cleats, but they're not walkable, so I carried a spare pair of shoes for camp use and foot-touring. Now, my Shimano MO88 shoes do it all. They weigh more than the Dettos so rotating weight is greater, but result in less carried weight and bulk than a second pair of shoes. I gave up on shower shoes long ago and simply wade into...whatever, reasoning the same dirty bilge water is going to flood whatever open shoes I'm wearing. A daily prophylactic application of antifungal foot creme between the toes has kept me free of athlete's foot without fail.

Best,

Dan.

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Re: lightweight kit, ideas?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2015, 11:03:45 PM »
Dan, thanks for the reminder on salt.  I bought a SteriPen a few weeks ago on an unbelievable sale price.  I have not yet decided if it will be a backup or primary device, it probably will depend on where I am going.

As a backup, I always carried a one oz (30ml) squeeze bottle with Chlorine Bleach, labeled 2 drops/liter so I do not forget how much.  But that needs a 30 minute exposure time.

Some places (specifically Isle Royale National Park) advise only filtering or boiling, not chemical or UV treatment.  The moose carry a tapeworm parasite that gets in the waters.  I have only trusted boiling or filters in Boundary Waters Canoe Area for the same reason, heavy moose population.  (North Central USA/South Central Canada.)

I have always been happy with ceramic filters, but I thought that I might give the SteriPen a try.  (The Chlorine is light, so that would still be carried as a backup.)

I tried the Katadyn Mini filter, it is tiny and very light but it takes too much effort and too much time to filter, in the future going back to the Katadyn Combi or MSR (do not recall model) filters for general use.  But the Mini might get used for future backpacking trips since it is so light.

My SteriPen is charged with a USB port, no interchangeable batteries.  They had a very short sale, it was under $50 USD.

http://www.rei.com/product/896170/steripen-freedom-solar-bundle-water-purifier-2015-closeout

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Re: lightweight kit, ideas?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2015, 11:42:43 PM »
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I have not yet decided if it will be a backup or primary device, it probably will depend on where I am going.
You're welcome!  :) 

<nods> Always best to carry at least two means for purifying water, as the consequences of dysentery or gastric distress while on a bike tour -- particularly if it is remote -- are pretty awful. At least, it is uncomfortable and inconvenient. At worst, it can be life-threatening if you become severely dehydrated.

The bleach is an excellent backup. You may wish to eventually carry a smaller bottle of it if the SteriPen works out, but I'd still be sure to carry at least some in a repurposed bottle of eyedrops. Cheap insurance against failure, and everything can fail. Best it not be a critical item.

You got an excellent buy, and gain a more compact size, reduced weight, and convenient recharging possibilities built-in. Tightfisted Luddite that I am, I think I'll stay with my Classic so I can readily replace the batteries as needed. I don't have a happy history with embedded batteries for heavy or demanding use. They're fine for a couple years' of my use before their charge capacity -- and run time -- begins to decline, and that generally means a new device, since the embedded batteries are no readily replaced or available.

Still a superb buy; congratulations on a real find, mickeg. I think you'll find it useful and convenient.

All the best,

Dan.