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thomast

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Rusting Metallic Blue Raven Tour
« on: May 07, 2015, 04:21:57 AM »
Currently cycling around the world with my partner, he's on a matt back Nomad and I've got a Metallic Blue Raven Tour.  My paint job doesn't seem to be holding up to the rigours of being thrown on top of the odd bus.  Lots of big scuffs down to the steel whereas the matt black Nomad is lasting untouched.

I've used tin foil to get rid of the rust before applying touch up paint but the rust seems to be coming through.  We can't get the bike re-sprayed as we will be on this tour for another few years.  Can I take to a car shop to get scuffs filed out and re-paint with car paint?  I need to find the best solution to sort this problem whilst on the road ASAP.

We await your replies :)

Thomas & Brian
www.theadventuresofdonkeyandhorse.com

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Re: Rusting Metallic Blue Raven Tour
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2015, 06:58:11 AM »
Hi Thomas!

(Generally) Unlike wet-paint, powdercoat can be quite tough...but has one potential failing: It can be more subject to tunneling rust. Therefore, it is really important to touch-up nicks and scratches quickly before rust can set in and then work its way under the rest of the powdercoat.

On-tour, an easy field repair is to use a pencil eraser to clean surface rust off, then use clear nail polish (nail varnish) to cover the bare metal. I've had good luck mixing nail polishes to match in home conditions, but the chances of achieving a good match on-road are nil, so the clear kind will leave the greatest flexibility for a later color match. Nail polishes are being reformulated to include less health-toxic ingredients, but the remaining phthalates, formaldahydes, toluene, and xylene make for a very tough finish. Applied to your bike's scratches while outdoors, you shouldn't suffer any ill effects and the stuff bonds really well even to bare metal. I have nail polish touch-ups that have remained rust-free for 30 years, so the stuff does its job well.

This is the route I would go while on-tour. Yes, the scratches will still show while you're traveling but you can fix that easily later and the scratches might lower the theft-attractiveness of the bike while you're on the road.

Best,

Dan.

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Re: Rusting Metallic Blue Raven Tour
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2015, 06:16:07 AM »
Lovely stuff - thanks Dan!

We couldn't find an abrasive enough eraser so used a light sand paper which did the job. Covered with clear nail varnish and all good to go!

If the nicks are really small then I suppose it would be ok to leave those as there is quite a few? Or would you recommend I do every little mark....

Thomas

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Re: Rusting Metallic Blue Raven Tour
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2015, 08:31:45 AM »
Hi Thomas!

Glad the tips were useful to you.  :)

Yes, it is amazing how "travel" (not the cycling part, but time on transport and elsewhere) can mark a bike in myriad small ways.

I'd say if the scratches are small and "clear" -- non-rusted -- then you should be safe to leave them, but I'd check periodically to see if that's still the case. If they start to get rusty as with the ones you've treated, then you can always sand them clear and touch them up later.

A little story:

A close friend owned a used-bike shop for 25 years and would save his crash-damaged frames for me to dismember for the tubing and for "autopsies"...and to learn about rust! Key areas to watch are around bottle bosses and cable guides. Salty-sugary-sticky-acidy energy drinks from water bottles can be the culprit and so can dripping sweat that is salty and remains in contact with the surface for awhile, long enough to breach the surface treatment or find scratches to develop rust in the underlying steel. Similarly, the bottle bosses on the underside of the downtube can be vulnerable simply because of water and mud flicked up by the front tire and the area is hard to clean, so it remains damp for an extended time.

Also, water can enter the frame around the seatpost and cause internal rust. Keeping the seatpost well lubed can help there, as can a short length of tire innertube stretched over the seat lug. Up front, water can run inside threaded steerers and down the outside of threadless ones. depending on how a frame is configured and vented, a small bit of tape over the vent holes inside the head tube can prevent water from entering the top and downtubes by that route. Thorn have done a *really* good job (by design!) of arranging the placement of frame vents (needed to allow hot gases to escape during framebuilding) so they are not open and exposed. It is a small but very thoughtful element that adds greatly to the live of their bikes, so it can take years to fully appreciate. I've had to manually plug some of the exposed vent holes on my other bikes with little dabs of kneaded beeswax (manipulated beeswax is waterproof but breathable to a degree and is moldable and won't flake like raw beeswax). If you do plug a frame's vents, be sure to first treat the interior with oil, cavity wax, or FrameSaver, as once again humidity helps rust to go wild, and the interior of tubes don't have much air circulation and if water collects inside, rust can get a foothold pretty quickly.

Amazingly, unless you live in a seacoast climate or ride where roads are salted, there is generally enough chromium content in quality bike frames they don't seem to rust much *if* they are outside and allowed to dry after they get wet. Put them under a tarp or awning where air circulation is compromised, and they can almost flash-rust compared to ones sitting outside. My bike shop friend used a semi-trailer for extra storage and the bikes inside it rusted (humidity) as did the ones outside under the trailer floor. The ones stored out in all weather were almost untouched by rust in comparison. General humidity makes a difference, also. I bought a remarkably nice 1972 Windsor Professional racing bike for USD$20 from a fellow living in the high desert plateau of Central Oregon who stored it outside 'cos he had no room in his small cabin. It failed to sell at two garage sales, so sat outside through two very snowy winters sometimes completely buried under powder snow. There's almost no rust on the bike's Columbus tubing, thanks to the generally low humidity in that region.

Similarly, I have quite a few lengths of raw frame tubing in my garage. That stored in the factory cardboard boxes had better be oiled or it can develop freckles of surface rust. Longer lengths standing exposed and upright do fine, as dampness can't collect.

I've enjoyed reading your blog entries and found familiar places from my own tours described in it.

All best wishes for happy travels; may your Adventures always be of the best kind.

Dan.