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jomouk

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WAXOYL?
« on: October 23, 2014, 07:27:10 PM »
I am currently renovating my Thorn Nomad Mk1.  Browsing through the '26" Solo Brochure' I got at the time (1993) I came across this - ' Condensation collects in the trap created by the seat tube/bottom bracket shell joint and rust will develop in this highly stressed area.  We machine the shell so that out seat tube fits inside the shell and all condensation drops into the shell- from where it can be drained away.
The top tube, down tube, seat stays, chain stays and fork blades are completely sealed (apart from the down tube bottle bosses).  The seat tube must be open because of the seatpost; look after that with WAXOYL using the drain plug.  Keep the screws in the down tube bottle bosses and you will be able to get a lifetimes use out of this frame'.

Well - I have never concerned myself with the drain plug at all.  I have never drained anything away, and I have no idea what WAXOYL is. Am I being negligent?

Donerol

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Re: WAXOYL?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2014, 12:42:20 PM »
Well, take the seatpost and the bottom bracket out, shine a torch in and see how much rust there is, if any. Also check the steerer as water gets in between the spacers and via the stem bolts.

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jomouk

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Re: WAXOYL?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2014, 05:09:49 PM »
Thanks Donerol.  A respray is on the cards, so that will provide an opportunity for close inspection.  And apparently waxoyl is a rust-preventative.

mickeg

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Re: WAXOYL?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2014, 10:00:12 PM »
Is your Nomad one with an eccentric like my Mk II?  (It is not clear to me which Nomad you have.)  If it has an eccentric, any water that got into the seat tube should drain out the shell without a problem.

My Nomad Mk II with S&S came with a piece of tape inside the head tube to keep any water that got past the headset from flowing into the top tube or down tube.  That was a brilliant idea that I had never thought of before.  Water can flow down along the steerer tube past the headset.  I removed the tape to apply frame saver to the frame, but I re-installed a piece of tape to seal off those tubes.

jomouk

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Re: WAXOYL?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2014, 12:26:22 PM »
No, not eccentric!  Nor S&S.  I bought my Nomad in 2003.  I don't know when the Mark 2 began being referred to as such.  This is not the absoulutely original model, as the brochure refers to improvements that have been made.  It does talk about 'until 2000', so maybe this is Mark 1.1?

I have to be honest, I have never thought about water getting inside the frame. Even though I have ridden through a few downpours!  This seems to be a good time to be taking some preventative measures.  Frame saver, for certain.  The tape idea sounds intriguing too.

mickeg

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Re: WAXOYL?
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2014, 11:05:09 AM »
I had a very wet trip a few years ago with my Sherpa.  When I got home I could see a bit of water inside after I took the seatpost out and used a flashlight to look inside.  The previous owner of that frame told me that he had applied framesaver to the frame, so I did not worry about rust.  I left the seatpost out of it so it could air dry.  I have several bikes that I regularly use so it was not a problem to leave the seatpost out for several weeks.  Not much air flow into the tubes, but eventually dried out.

If there is a screw in the bottom of the bottom bracket shell to hold a plastic cable guide in place, you could pull that screw out to see if any water drains.  Or, pull the seatpost out and tip the bike upside down.

One common way to reduce water inflow into the seattube is to grease your seatpost.  The grease is supposed to act like a water proof seal.  It also is intended to reduce the chance for dissimilar metal corrosion that can lock your seatpost into place, but most of my seatposts are painted so I do not worry much about that.

A couple years ago I bought a used mid 1990s Bridgestone mountain bike from a neighbor for $5 USD.  It had been stored outside for over a decade.  I had a lot of trouble getting the bottom bracket out of the frame, it was rusted in pretty well.  But otherwise no significant rust damage to the frame.  I applied frame saver to the frame and reassembled it with a new bottom bracket and a lot of other new parts.  It now is my errand bike and I store it outside.  See photo.

I think of the derailleur Nomads as Mark zero, but that is not really correct either.  There was a Mk I Rohloff Version which came after yours.