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jags

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from sherpa to RST (or not)
« on: October 23, 2011, 05:53:25 PM »
so if i were to upgrade to say the RST from my sherpa what would be the benefits.
is the rst livelier on hills how much lighter is it and can i get it with drop bars.
wheels what would be a great set of wheels with this upgrade  must be as light and strong as possible .

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2011, 07:30:11 PM »
The RST offers a livelier more responsive ( steering ) machine than the Sherpa, whilst still feeling stable & secure when descending & taking corners at speed...it climbs ok too - largely due to the Rohloff gear range/ ease of shifting .Weightwise it isn't particularly lightweight - it has a Rohloff hub in the back !  so it may not be much lighter than a sherpa if at all  ( spec depending ) But I'm more than happy with mine. THe RST is being replaced by the new 700c Mercury, so if you prefer 26" wheels you'd better decide sooner rather than later.
 

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2011, 07:47:38 PM »
thanks brummie might take a look at the mercury

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2011, 08:27:40 PM »
I wonder the same thing from time to time.  I have a RT which is great but sometimes I would like something a bit more lively.  I had thought of getting a RST minus the back wheel and swapping between bikes.  Are they definitely stopping making the RST or will they sell Both?

 

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2011, 10:05:35 AM »
The Mercury is considerably more expensive than the RST, so I hope its an addition rather than a replacement.

I've had my RST for nearly 2 months now and love it. I can only compare it with my Dawes Galaxy, and it seems a dam site more responsive that that. I went for the lightest option wheels DT Swiss XR 425 with Pasela Tourguard tyres. Only done one 100k audax on it so far but it seems more than capable for such events.

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2011, 02:23:39 PM »
yeah i had a look at the mercury way out of my league .there are actually three people here in my town that ride the RST but its there first touring bike so can't compare it with anything else.
i am still thinking of changing things on my sherpa to make it a more livelier bike.such as front carbon forks / lighter wheels i have hand built wheels from sjs sun rhyno rims 36 spoke great wheels bomb proof but way to heavy.
i was thinking mavic xm719 rims 32 spoke up front 36 rear on xt hubs and lighter tires.any thoughts on that wheel build.
i think the fork on the sherpa is overkill well for the touring i do all tarmac.the carbon fork and maybe a good headset should lighten things up front more responsive  steering.
if i were to make these changes do you guys think im heading in the right direction  as in making the sherpa a lighter faster more responsive bike or am i wasting my dosh .
 

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2011, 03:16:37 PM »
Hi,

On MHO If you could afford yourself more then one Thorn, you'd better go for more specialization: one bike heavy and stable (Sherpa, Nomad) and other light quick and responsive (RST).

I was told by Lisa Parson that they RST will be discontinued. Strange as for me. RST seems to be much popular.

I could not imagine what makes Mercury so expensive (but I have not read the brochure yet.

 

jags

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2011, 03:34:12 PM »
why is the RST be discontinued  its such a popular model  , :o

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2011, 04:04:05 PM »
I could not imagine what makes Mercury so expensive

The fancy paint job must contribute to it.


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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2011, 08:01:39 PM »
...new eccentric BB / Thorns NEW rear disc mount/ rohloff specific dropout & maybe raw material / manufacture costs have increased since the last batch of RST's were produced????
 

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 09:07:30 PM »
I am not all that techie in my approaches and I am a bit of a plodder at the best of times, but its the nimbleness of the steering on my RST that I am most aware of compared with my other (non-Thorn) bikes.  Brilliant coming downhill and certainly keeps me concentrating, but nicely relaxed!  I suspect that quality just oozes out of it, even with a very ordinary cyclist aboard. If the pools or lottery ever come up my wife and I will keep our RSTs and add a pair of Thorn rough roaders of one sort or another. Norman

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2011, 07:11:47 PM »
Jags,

My two cents' worth...

I'm not sure how your Sherpa is presently configured, but I believe you could go far in answering your question (wrt to lighter wheels vs another, more speed-oriented Thorn) by borrowing a lightweight front wheel from a cycling friend or neighbor for a trial run.  Pop it in, see if you notice a difference, and use that data to determine your next course of action.

It is amazing how reduced rotating mass can make an entire bike feel more lively and responsive.  A quick check on the effect can be made by swapping just the front wheel, since it is the steered one and the most easily accomplished swap.  You can always get your "old" Sherpa back by reinstalling the original wheels, making the same bike more usable for touring or speed work.

On my Sherpa, major contributors to overall weigh and rotating mass are the SON28 dynohub, the Rigida Andra rims, the 36 spokes, the SV13 tubes, and rigid 26x2.0 Duremes  -- all of which I specified and need for my intended use.  For your use, I would suggest 32 spokes, a lightweight rim, narrow and higher-pressure tires and a conventional front hub. The ride will be much, much harsher, especially with the heavier Sherpa frame.  A change in handlebar width can also alter one's perception of a bike's liveliness.  Changing the headset will do little to affect overall weight or perception, so I would save there.

In the end, I agree with Oleksandr (Cedric):  If you can manage it, keep the Sherpa for heavy duty and touring use, and get a second, lighter bike for other stuff.  The Sherpa is a great do-all bike, but it likely won't be your fastest bike.  That said, weight doesn't seem to affect my own speed or distance much, and I have often ridden my tandem solo on 200-300km day rides.  The Sherpa is chasing it for weight, being only 2.7kg lighter.  I do, however, own a number of lighter bikes I can choose from that better fill other needs.  My primary rando bike is a lighter touring bike that weighs 3.6kg less than the Sherpa, and I will likely still choose it for 300-400km day rides in mountainous terrain.  It is a matter of horses for courses, and how much of each kind of riding you intend.  If you find yourself taking few loaded tours, then you probably need a lighter bike in your stable.  If the need for speed is only an occasional thing, then a lighter wheelset might, indeed, fill the bill for you.  I can say...it is amazing how the small hassle of swapping wheels back and forth for specific uses causes it to just not happen.  One finds oneself just grabbing the bike and going with whatever is on it.  That's why I have each of my bikes independently ready to go, avoiding the need to swap water bottles, computer heads, pumps, tool bags, rack packs, etc.  When I want to go, I want to go with no hassle.

In the end, if you go with lighter wheels on the Sherpa, you will still have a heavy, stout frame with light wheels, which isn't the greatest combination for making speed comfortably.

Let us know what you decide, Jags.

All the best,

Dan.

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Re: from sherpa to RST (or not)
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2011, 07:49:30 PM »
Thanks Dan,i am actually shopping around for a lighter set of wheels and tires.i just put up two sets of wheels for sale on another forum here in ireland need the cash to finance the new wheels ;).all my touring is done on tarmac roads no rough stuff or off road ;D my weight on the rear is something around 30lb plus barbag.although i have duo racks up front as yet i have never used them to be honest i don't intend to either.i try my best to keep the weight as low as possible.
i reckon lighter wheels will transform my sherpa fully convinced of that.cant try another wheel because all my cycling friends are roadies 700c  ;D but to be honest i think i'm experienced enough to know wheels do make a hell of a difference to a good ride ;)
anyway i'll keep you posted if ever i get the money together to buy lighter wheels.
jags.