Author Topic: Hill Climbing  (Read 3174 times)

Jules

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Hill Climbing
« on: October 24, 2010, 12:24:49 AM »
Hello Forum members - as a newcomer I would be grateful with any help you could give me with the following query.  I have taken the well worn path to Bridgewater and fortified by a test ride (on the flat) and all the positive comments on this forum and elsewhere have ordered a Raven Tour with straight handle bars plus bar end extensions. At the age of 63 and living in a hilly area of South Wales I am wondering about the Raven's hill climbing abilities and whether a different climbing technique is required with straight handle bars of which I have little experience. Do you use the bar end extensions when climbing?     

ians

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Re: Hill Climbing
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2010, 09:23:38 AM »
Hi Jules

one of the first things I noticed about my RST was how much easier hill climbing was compared with my super galaxy.  I have Thorn comfort bars so don't use bar ends, but the linear nature of the rohloff gear changes makes life easier, rather than faffing about switching between the middle and granny rings with bar end shifters, while trying to climb on the hoods.

I guess like most people you'll soon find a position that suits you.  Enjoy your new bike.

ians

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Re: Hill Climbing
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2010, 03:23:14 PM »
Jules,
Welcome to the forum.

I too am 63 and riding a Thorn Rohloff bike. I find sitting down and just pedalling at my normal cadence (~75) does very nicely uphill, suiting the gear to the load, wind direction and gradient. One beauty of the Rohloff is the ease of changing down gears whilst progressing up a hill.

Depending how fit you are, or what load you are carrying, you may find taking a breather halfway up is beneficial. Starting again from stopped is easy as you can change down with the bike stopped - another Rohloff hubgear benefit.

If you do not have Ergon grips fitted then give them serious consideration, I find they spread any pressure on my hands and reduce the need to make hand position changes on a longer ride.

Enjoy that bike.
Julian.

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Re: Hill Climbing
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2010, 03:54:48 PM »
Hi Jules,
After a year with straight bars and RST I still feel very slightly like a fish out of water with straight bars.  However I do use the bar-ends when out of the saddle honking up a steep hill, it feels strange probably because your hands are further apart than they would be on drop bars.  I don't believe it is any advantage or disadvantage, just takes a bit of getting used to.

Jules

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Re: Hill Climbing
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2010, 08:39:18 PM »
It never fails to amaze me how helpful and kind my fellow cyclists are - so thanks very much for your encouraging and helpful posts Relayer, julk and ians.  I'm feeling more six than sixty plus at the moment waiting for the build period to be up and collect my new bike. I relish the hills and am looking forward to seeing my regular climbs from the perspective afforded by my Raven.  One of the reasons for my choice is that I actually want to go slower than I do on my road bike and sit up and look around me more.  I am envisaging combining my interests in bird watching and the ancient churches of the Black Mountains, the Vale of Glamorgan and the Gwent levels with long rides on the Raven.
The advantages of the Rolhoff gears whilst climbing are intriguing - I just can't wait!

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Re: Hill Climbing
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2010, 11:38:15 PM »
I ride a Raven Catalyst.  It is heavier than some of the other bikes I've owned but it is great for hills.  I like to alternate sitting and spinning with standing on the pedals.  The Rohloff is superb for that- you can change up and down at will as you stand up for a spell then sit down again for a spin.  It also steers well at slow speed so you can relax and spin up at slow speed in a low gear maintaining steerage and stability.  Then again, the frame is so stiff that if you pedal hard none of your power is wasted.

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Jules

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Re: Hill Climbing
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2010, 08:16:02 PM »
Thanks Hamish - your comments when added to the others on this thread add up to a reassuring picture of the Rohloff geared bikes' abilities on the hills.
The Raven brochure says it all "We like to think that fellow cyclists are intelligent, social creatures and cycling is at its best in the mountains".  I feel sure now that I have chosen a bike that will meet my needs and I'm looking forward to encounters with other Ravens, Nomads, Sherpas, Catalysts etc in the hills and levels of South Wales and beyond.
I've gone for British Racing Green and a honey Brooks leather saddle.

 

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Re: Hill Climbing
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2010, 09:06:55 PM »
I am adding a "final" comment to this thread outlining my experience of the bike on the hills since collecting it two weeks and a couple of hundred miles ago.  Lifting my shiny new Raven out of the boot when I got home it felt very heavy compared to the Trek road bike I've been riding for the last seven years. I thought that at my age I might have made a very expensive mistake.  Thankfully nothing could be further from the truth.  The bike has been a revelation and has borne out all that people have written on this Forum.  Overall I love the feeling of stability, safety and comfort when in the (Brooks) saddle, qualities much appreciated and in evidence on fast descents. As for hill climbing - it's been a revelation.  I don't know what the magic formula is but I  have done all my regular climbs and as yet have not employed the three bottom gears.  This bike likes to climb!  It's great for honking and the fact that the frame is "heavy" steel and the wheels are 26" has never crossed my mind whilst riding. 
An added bonus is the ability to keep it clean very easily after a ride by the simple expedient of a quick once over with a couple of baby wipes.  No messy derailleur. 
Thanks everyone for your encouraging posts - I am so glad I joined the club.





Andre Jute

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Re: Hill Climbing
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2010, 11:50:22 PM »
Thanks Hamish - your comments when added to the others on this thread add up to a reassuring picture of the Rohloff geared bikes' abilities on the hills.

I'm 65. I've always been a mountainbiker rather than a roadie, and took up cycling late, twenty years ago, so I don't have that out of the saddle, spinning, get the right gear before the hill paradigm. I have always done exactly what you say you want to do, stayed in the seat, sitting up, looked at the beautiful countryside, talked to the pedalpals. The key to not being distracted by the wretched mechanics is very definitely a hub gearbox, and of those the Rohloff is the best of all, and after a thousand miles or so when it settles in, you won't even notice it's there. (And that's coming from a guy who has an automatic gearbox on another bike, see my netsite, URL under my signature.)

I've gone for British Racing Green and a honey Brooks leather saddle.

My current fave bike is British racing green (the Dutch Van Raam firm who painted it calls it 'non-RAL nostalgia green' but it's that old Bentley green). I also had a honey Brooks, the B73 because I see no reason not to be comfortably sprung (and SJS had a fab deal on some new old stock). If you want to keep it honey, at least until perspiration turns it browner, *don't* put neatsfoot oil or even Brooks's own Proofide on it. Leave it bare and cover it when it rains -- order the Brooks cover delivered with the bike. If you insist on protecting it, get colourless shoe polish and apply that sparingly. I soaked mine in neatsfoot and that instantly turned it a mid-brown, lighter than Brook's standard brown, but definitely no longer honey.

I've never had the Ergo grips, though I hear them well-spoken off; I always found Hermann's Finnish gummies good and cheap. But a couple of years ago I switched on one bike to the Brooks leather grips, just as an experiment to match the honey saddle; I ordered the grips in honey and stained them with neatsfoot to match the saddle. These are not fashion items, looking a bit rough, being made from many rings of leather sitting edge on to the bars and your hands. I thought at first that the idea was that the leather would shape to my fingers, but the rings are too tightly held together (by little bicycle spokes, I kid you not) for that. But these are the most comfortable grips I've ever had. Smart be damned, it's my hands. They suit the style of the bike I have them on now (a Utopia Kranich, a copy of a prewar Locomotief Crossframe Mixte de Luxe updated with lightweight butted Columbus tubes to take 60mm balloon tyres -- may as well be comfortable when you're old enough to be slow!) and I think these Brooks grips would suit the rustic style of the Raven (beautiful pic on the forum the other day of a blue raven standing against a field gate in autumn) especially if the Raven is green. I got the grips too from SJS; I presume they carry them for this class of bike. So, if you don't need built-in bar-ends of the Ergos, have a look at the Brooks grips.

Good luck on those Welsh hills!

Andre Jute
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