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superfinlay

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Nokon Cables
« on: February 19, 2007, 08:41:59 PM »
The outers of my cables keep breaking in front of the head tube guides (raven enduro).  Has anyone used Nokon gear cables with the Rohloff (external box version)?  Any useful experiences/advice?
« Last Edit: February 19, 2007, 08:45:33 PM by superfinlay »
 

graham

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Re: Nokon Cables
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 08:14:08 AM »
I picked up three complete bike sets recently cheaply enough (over 80% off rrp) to do the tandem, which doesn't have the external clickbox.
The housing is obviously made up of little sections (a string of beads) so should be easily adjustable for length.

The problems I'm still trying to get my head around are the liners and the Rohloff gear shifter.
The only Nokon cable sets available in the UK seem to be for conventional solos so the housings are stopped where the gear cables would normally be exposed. The liner runs continously to protect the cable and is joined somewhere outside the housing using a bit of tube, which can be slid back to introduce oil into the cable. That means Nokon cut the liner into short bits in the kit and as far as I can see cannot be joined within the housing. The Thorns use fully housed brake and gear cables, so I need longer liners. Apparently 5m liners are available in the USA, so I may be trying to buy them from there.
I suspect that even a solo would need longer liners than are supplied in the kits.
Rohloff gear liners are bell shaped at the shifter to stop them being pulled into and jamming the mechanism. Nokon liners aren't. The Rohloff website says Nokon have a special end housing for Rohloff use but I haven't yet found it for sale.
E.mails are out asking for advice both with Nokon USA and Nokon Germany so we'll see. If all else fails, I have a couple of friends with engineering capability to make something with the right size hole to allow free passage of the cable but stop the liner.
 

rualexander

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Re: Nokon Cables
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2007, 01:57:35 PM »
Also have had the problem with cable outers splitting at head tube cable guides, seems like the cable is flexed too much here. Both brake and gear outers split after about a year from new. Tried to replace but problem with loosening Allen key grub screws on cable connectors(female), seized! Kept rounding off allen keys. Had to cut them off in the end and order new ones, not cheap.

Any others had these problems?

I have refitted the outer cables but avoided the head tube cable guides so hopefully won't have this problem again.

Stijn

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Re: Nokon Cables
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 11:03:53 AM »
I put some heatshrink around the cable outer at the point where it bend around the headtube, as I suspected this might be a weak point. Not had to replace the cables outers in 4 years yet

Cheers,

Stijn
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graham

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Re: Nokon Cables
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2007, 06:09:39 PM »
Update:

In the USA, you can buy Nokon liner in 5m coils. Long enough to do a tandem then. You can also buy a Nokon 'Rohloff' gear set. So I did, expecting to get special end fittings for the Rohloff shifter.
There were no special parts (or instructions) in the (as far as I could tell) previously unopened box but the outers came as 2 x 1.8m lengths. The other parts looked about the same as a normal gear set. At least the housings were almost long enough to do the tandem without extra bits.
I can only assume the design of the housing sections, which are close to the size of the liner at the ball end of each 'bead', will grip the liner after about 10 sections and a slight bend. Over nearly 2m, I really can't see the liner sliding about. So I'll be giving it a go soon.
Will report back later...
 

superfinlay

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Re: Nokon Cables
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2007, 10:52:12 AM »
I've recently replaced my cables with Fibrax powerglide braided brake cables (http://www.fibrax.com/product_details.php?mcat=0&cat=9&pro=308) and shimano gear inners to brilliant effect.  I ordered direct from Fibrax who even made a special long length just for ME!  Gear changes are as smooth as I can ever remember, and the braided cables look v.cool.

I missed out the first set of guides on the top tube so that cable bend radius is much less severe.  Hopefully this'll do the trick.
 

davefife

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Re: Nokon Cables
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2007, 08:32:41 PM »
I had this problem, RST bike is 14months old, 4000miles, commuting, tour and audax use.  I went back to Thorn and would recommend anyone to do the same, i sent a photo and a description, here is the reply:

Thanks for your quick reply.
I wasn't so worried about the corrosion, I doubt that the plastic liners would have broken, it was more how much of a struggle you'd have had getting the inners back through the new cable after they'd been removed from the grub screw secured clips. Presumably you cut them slightly shorter.

Generally, as with the replacement we sent you we use brake outer, not gear, this is because allthough it can start to fail as your's did, it doesn't give up all of a sudden, the gear outer, which has longditinal wire strands instead of spiral wound, has the following benefits:
1) Sharper feel to the gear shift
But the following bad points
1) 2 stiff outer cables facing the same direction put a bias on the bars to one side
2) when the outer fails it becomes useless as opposed to gradually
progressivly worse.
It could be argued that for an expedition bike (say the Tour) that brake outer should be used, but for a performance bike (relatively) such as the sport tour, gear outer may be a better a choice.
As to the difference in durability between the 3 types of outer we could use:

Taiwanese cable by Jagwire
Singapore cable by Shimano
German cable by Rohloff

We've no collated data, except to say that we actually DISCARD the Rohloff cable outers that come with the hubs because we've found that the plastic liners are not bonded to the outer and can become detatched and pull into the shifter causing it to jam!!

Regards

Robin Thorn

In another email the problem was acknowledged without dispute.  The high level of customer service i have received from Thorn in general, was no less evident in their dealings with me over this issue.
The heatshrink solution is novel, but ultimately, cables and outers are consumables.
 

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Re: Nokon Cables
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2007, 10:56:35 PM »
Yes I think this is a sizable problem. My Raven Tour was 10 months old when both cable outers split at the head tube cable guides. I wrote to Thorn and suggested that it might be a problem I had caused for myself by fitting a centre stand. I was looking for information on what type of cable I could obtain. It ended with me having to purchase locally and replace both change cables, yet I see that this may not be an isolated case as I first thought. Not a very happy ending having to pay to rectify a problem on a bike with such a price tag, just 10 months after purchase