rear wheel build advice needed.

[jags]

hanging in the shed i have a mavic CXp33 rear wheel needs new hub,
so would it be an idea to buy an 11 speed hub shimano or shimano compatable  and rebuild the wheel for my new bike.i cant afford to buy new set of wheels .
so any thoughts on this if so what hubs are worth looking at at a great price .

cheers
anto.

[Danneaux]

Hi Anto!

I see your query has gone unanswered, so I'll give a try...

If the rim you have is sound, it is possible to rebuild the wheel using a new hub. You've mentioned the wheel is in need of a new hub anyway.

As for 11-sp rear hubs, Shimano's 105 looks to be a price leader.

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However, I think the problem you'll run into is in 11-speed drivetrain/shifter compatibility unless you run all 11-sp (complete groupset) or take great care in mixing 10/11-sp. The following links may prove helpful of you choose a mix or upgrade from 10 to 11:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/07/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-1011-speed-compatibility_337803
...and...
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/09/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-drivetrain-compatibility-for-10-and-11-speed_301392
...and...
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/10/mixing-groupsets-what-works-together-and-what-doesnt/
...and...
http://blog.performancebike.com/2013/10/25/our-take-10-speed-vs-11-speed/
...for swapping an 11-sp wheel into an otherwise 10-sp drivetrain, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfv9auQ-_fo

Distilling the meat of the above-linked articles, it appears you can swap brands of 11-speed cogsets/wheels with only minor problems wrt to noise and shifting smoothness. You will have problems if you run Shimano 11-sp cassettes on Shimano 10-sp hubs (there is not enough room for them to fasten securely. It is possible to mill off the spline standoffs on the freehub body, but not recommended or endorsed). It seems to be possible with Campagnolo (11 on a 9/10 body). It appears you can run 10-sp cassettes on 11-sp hubs if you use a spacer behind the cassette.

It appears if you're already running 10-sp, you could upgrade to 11-sp with only a new rear mech, shifters, and chain required, though an 11-sp front mech might be a bit smoother.

If you're going from 9-sp stuff to 11, then you've got to swap more -- chainrings or chainset as well and the front mech upgrade becomes more necessary, and that gets complicated and spendy.

If you're starting fresh with a new frame and no components -- and really want 11-sp -- then it might well make sense to start with a new 11-sp groupset, which should include the rear hub, which you could then lace into your Mavic CXP 33 rim. At least you wouldn't have to buy another rim if this one is sound.

11-Sp is awfully spendy at present compared to 9/10sp, at least in rear hubs. Do you really want to go the 11-sp route? This might prove helpful in making a decision: http://www.roadbikereview.com/reviews/do-we-really-need-11-speed For some folks, the answer is a resounding "yes". For others, "notsomuch".

12-sp and a change to 135mm OLN spacing on road bikes appear to be on the horizon.

What do you plan for shifters, Anto? How many chainrings? Compact setup?

Hope this helps,

Dan. (...who pines for a return to thicker 5-, 6-, or 7-sp cogsets and half-step + granny chainset gearing, which gave almost as many usable gears, fewer chainline issues, longer wear, and a much simpler shift sequence for all but genuine racing)

[lewis noble]

Interesting reply, Dan - and I share your concerns about the trend towards ever more, ever thinner, cogs and chains - I wonder how many of the people buying 11 speed kit now will be able to keep it running smoothly in a year or two? 

Good luck with it, Anto.

Lewis

[leftpoole]

Anto,
My feeling from past experience is, if you pay someone to build the wheel it is more economical to buy a new wheel!
I expect that you will end up with whatever you want because you always manage somehow.......
A nice set of Carbon wheels in 11 speed is what you want, but in my opinion I wish we could go back to 8 speed!
I use and will always use 9 speed. I am collecting spares for 9 speed.
Regards,
John

[jags]

Thanks Dan  your a gem
well i think i might be better off buying a new rear wheel.11 speed groupset from chainreaction doesn't have hubs or cables  and it seems they dont sell 10 speed groupsets  out of stock is all i can see.
mind you theres good reviews on the 105 11 speed groupset and if i get the guitar sold it will be well within my price range  (guys interested in it said he will pay the asking price)

no need for a leisure cyclist like me to have 11 speed but its the way it's going now .
em maybe i should try for 10 speed and try and make my wheels fit

john i had a shed load of 9 speeds parts but gave them all away for free , now im left with nothing or near enough ,my son is digging through whats left to build up the raleigh.

[mickeg]

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 but in my opinion I wish we could go back to 8 speed!
I use and will always use 9 speed. I am collecting spares for 9 speed.
Regards,
John

I have 8 speed on two touring bikes and a foldup bike.  In 2004 when building up a bike I decided I wanted an 11/32 cassette.  Sram 8 speed and 9 speed 11/32 cassettes both shared these cogs: 11, 12, 14, 16, 19, 21 and 32.  The only difference in gearing between the two is the 8 speed has a 26 tooth cog, the 9 speed has 24 and 28 tooth cogs.  I concluded that I would spend so little time in on the cogs bigger than 21 teeth that there was not much gearing advantage in going with the 9 speed, thus I chose 8 speed.  I was happy enough with that decision that the next two bikes I built up were based on that same cassette. 

I however regularly use an errand bike that is 7 speed and the bike on my trainer is 6 speed.  And one bike has a Rohloff.  So, I can't claim that everything is 8 speed.  But other than the 6 speed on the trainer, they all use the same 8 speed chains and quick links.

Unfortunately my life however is about to get complicated.  Last week I bought a used set of clincher wheels to put on a 1961 Italian racing bike that has languished in storage for over a decade.  While tubular tires are nice and those Campy high flange hubs sure are beautiful, I just do not want to go too far from home with tubulars, thus I have not used the bike for a long time.  I am going to spread the frame from 120mm to 126mm spacing and set that bike up with a 6 speed cluster.  So I need to shop for a new 6 speed chain.

[jags]

hey JOHN u interested in buying my  9 speed new custom wheels 36 hole on 105 hubs mavic sups rime 9 speed cassette.300 euro.and i'll throw in a photo of meself cant do better than that.

anto