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Andybg

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2013, 04:44:58 pm »
Just a quick one - are the outer surfaces of the bottom bearing houseing machined for external bearings?

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2013, 05:25:44 pm »
Er . . . . . not sure, Andy . . . . but the LBS guy looked closely at the BB and said that would be OK, and we talked about the fors and against of external bearings . . .  so I reckon (hope!) it will be OK . . . . Bearing in mind that a whole range of options are usually available on Thorn frames, I would expect it to be OK.  Bike currently at the bike shop so cannot have a look.

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2013, 06:35:05 pm »
Terrific decision and a kind and thoughtful followup post, Lewis. I chose the basic Deore setup for Sherpa and was very pleased with it, and again on the Nomad. If you find bearing wear, the standard Shimano replacement BB bearings are readily available and inexpensive.

The fitting mechanic will most likely lightly "face" the BB shell so the bearing cup shoulders will fit squarely against the edges; it is pretty standard kit and procedure these days now external-bearing BBs are so commonly fitted. As you say, this is standard kit on new Thorns, so you're not in untested waters.

I think you'll be very happy with the resulting gear range, and the shifting should be smooth, reliable, and flawless. Ideal for your ride to Snowdonia!

Happy times ahead for you, Lewis. So glad the new bike is working so well for you.

All the best,

Dan.

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2013, 08:08:50 pm »
Thanks Dan - I will talk to the mechanic tomorrow, as I tend to worry about these details excessively . . . .

And I have to confess that I am riding IN Snowdonia, not TO Snowdonia!!  My wife is doing a 3 peaks Challenge (in aid of a Nepalese charity she is very committed to) and I hope to meet her off the mountain.  Maybe one day TO Snowdonia as well as IN that beautiful district.

Best wishes for you trip, Dan - I have not kept up with all your plans but have now spotted that you hope to set off shortly.  We will all be willing you on.  Let's hope that the Thorn stays on the road, and the thorns stay off it.

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2013, 09:58:01 pm »
very important to get the shell faced.i still have the dura ace outer bearings on my sherpa i put that down to getting it faced.
on my look kxlight carbon bike i replaced the bearings 3 times .
so if the guy in the bikeshop tells you you don't need it done take it somewhere else. ::)

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2013, 02:30:55 am »
Hi Lewis!

WRT the BB facing...
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I will talk to the mechanic tomorrow, as I tend to worry about these details excessively . . .
<nods> Always best to get things settled at the beginning to avoid surprises. Facing usually amounts to milling off little more than a bit of paint on the edge faces that might keep the bearing cup shoulders from seating squarely and perhaps chasing the threads to make sure paint/powdercoat there won't interfere either. To put your mind further at ease, the grease or anti-seize used on the cup threads squishes out slightly and coats the bare-metal edge next to the tightly seated cup, so chance of rust forming is nil.

Whether in or to Snowdonia, it looks a wonderful place to be, with much to do and appreciate in terms of natural beauty. Best of luck to you and your wife; she has a big challenge!

Thanks so much for the good trip-wishes, Lewis; much appreciated. I am going to have to depart Monday dawn instead of Sunday, but it will be okay. So very much looking forward to it!

All the best,

Dan.


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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2013, 11:05:28 am »
Thanks Andy and Dan - all sorted - parts ordered and being fitted by LBS, who will be preparing surfaces properly, he assured me . . . . I'm not sure exactly what sort of bearing it is, but the guy has looked after my family's bikes very well for a number of years . . . .

So, I await a phone call to tell me it is ready.

And I plan to learn more about doing these things myself - it can't be that difficult, though in my experience everything on a bike needs careful handling to avoid stripped threads etc - on cheaper bikes and components anyway - and some of the tools look very expensive.

But I'm working on it.

Lewis
 

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2013, 12:12:09 pm »
Hi lewis

Glad it is all in hand and soon to be back with you. There is an amazing amount of tools and associated cost that goes along with being able to do everything on a bike but for a small investment in tools and research/experience about 90% of it is definetly achievable at home. My experience and tool kit has certainly grown over the years but there are still many jobs that I run to my lbs for.

Best of luck with the new setup

Andy

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2013, 05:32:40 pm »
Wonderful news, Lewis; I'm sure all will turn out well and with a happy outcome. I can't wait to hear the results and a ride report!

As for DIY and tools...as with everything else, it is an acquired skill. I got started thanks to a series of very, very bad bike shop repairs. I figured I couldn't possibly do worse, and I was right; I did much better!

The trick for me was to purchase the tools as I needed them for the task at hand. It is amazing how little is needed at first; a good multi-tool with chain cutter, some tire levers, a quality adjustable wrench and the cone wrenches needed for your own hubs aren't a huge investment and are more versatile than dedicated shop tools that will indeed last longer under production use. Add in a set of nice cable-cutters, a good spoke wrench and a cassette lockring tool or freewheel remover, and you're set for probably 90% of common repairs, both at home and while on-tour. A good bench-mounted vise gets you to probably 95% at home.

Specialist repairs can still be contracted out to the LBS or tools acquired as necessary, but then it becomes a matter of frequency of use; should you contract for services, or will you use those specialist tools often enough to make their cost worthwhile?

Over some 35 years is I now have a complete set of tools, lacking only BB threaders/facers, headtube facers, and crown race cutters. As infrequently as I build my hobbyist frames, I simply carted them by a "real" framebuilder's and paid for those jobs to be done there, piggybacking on their regular production prep. Bruce Gordon faced my head tubes and lathe-turned my fork crown races back in the day when he lived here; so did Gary Hale*. Going a bit at a time, I bought good-quality tools for less than the cost of a single LBS job, and then owned the tools for the next go-'round, incurring only parts costs thereafter. I've taught formal bike-repair classes in the past as part of my tour leadership, and it is wonderful to see the light bulb go on as people gain the confidence and familiarity to do their own repairs. It is empowering -- and really useful for touring!

As for possible damage, quality parts tend to be made to more consistent levels and are less likely to strip, so long as one respects the torque ratings of the fasteners. Even this can be overcome pretty easily with a small torque wrench if "feel" comes hard.

So, Lewis, it isn't too hard or too expensive, once one gets over the initial hurdle. For expertise, lots of people now go to the Park Tools website, where many tutorials are online: http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help

All the best,

Dan.
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*[People sometimes ask why I call myself a "hobbyist" builder, and if I will build a frame for them. I build occasionally because it is sort of the ultimate in DIY bike repair, requiring design, engineering, and craftsman skills. It was also an education that greatly increased my understanding and appreciation for bicycles. I'm a hobbyist builder because it is really expensive in terms of time, effort, tools and liability insurance to build frames professionally. It is hard, hard work even with automated machines, and not very profitable. Thanks to a lifetime of overuse, my hands aren't what they once were, and I have to pick and choose how I use them now. Legal liability and torte claims are a huge problem here in the States, requiring millions of dollars in insurance coverage. I won't make frames for others 'cos the potential for financial loss is too great; even if the owner didn't sue due to some unforeseen mishap, medical insurers will. In an attempt to recover costs, they'll go back through previous sales to find someone to hold responsible and the builder is often put in a position of having to prove their construction was not a contributor to, say, hitting a parked car.

Instead, I have fun building the sorts of frames for myself that are hard to come by commercially or pique my interest: Full-sus small-wheeled Folders and recumbents, modifications to existing frames, custom tubular steel racks, and the like. It is a bit like woodworking as a hobby. You can make a really nice table for yourself with a lot of pride and craftsmanship and premium woods, or you pick one up as a kit at IKEA, perfectly serviceable and ready to go for not much fuss or cost. Both are tables; whichever you choose depends on many factors at the time.

A quality bicycle/frame like Thorn's is actually a bargain. All the work is done, and you're buying a completed product that has been tested and proven. The company and/or contracted builder has invested in the tooling and labor, and you get the final product to enjoy for a lifetime. Not a bad deal! Weighing all factors, it is why I bought a Thorn expedition touring bike rather than make my own.

This addendum is waaay out there for a discussion of tools and even further from Lewis' attempts to find the perfect bike and the best drivetrain for his needs, which is why I made it an addendum. I don't want to dilute or hijack the thread, so I'll stop here, adding a couple links for those interested in the ehm, "realities" of professional framebuilding:
http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20130201_BruceGordon_D%27Ambrosio.pdf
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/10/bruce-gordon-was-nice-to-me.html
http://www.richardsachs.com/site/2012/01/01/good-career-advice-if-anyone-will-take-it/ -- Dan.]
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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2013, 12:38:21 am »
Very very interesting Dan. Thanks for the links and the digression.

Cheers
Ian


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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2013, 12:00:53 pm »
Thanks everyone - the Ripio is now back home, shiny new Deore 22/32/44 chainset etc fitted.  The mechanic told me he had some sort of 'facing tool' to prepare the bearing surfaces and all looks and feels good, and I am much happier with the new rings, which suit my style, physique and favourite terrain much better.

The bike really has that stable and secure feel about it, and I look forward to using it.  I will take some pic and try and get them on here, once I work out how to do so - I have your guide printed off, Dan.

Lewis

 

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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2013, 03:28:25 pm »
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...the Ripio is now back home, shiny new Deore 22/32/44 chainset etc fitted.
What wonderful news, Lewis, and always a relief to get the "beloved bike" back home and in your hands, safe and sound once again. It must feel even better now the gearing suits your needs to a "T"(horn).

Sounds as if your mechanic did a great job and the installation came off without a hitch.

Very much looking forward to the photos. If you run into any trouble posting them, just give a shout and I'll be glad to help.

Best,

Dan.


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Re: Change needed??
« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2013, 04:14:10 pm »
That is a very good price...