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John Saxby

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2014, 09:28:34 PM »
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Danneaux gets an electric bike!

Sparkling? Crackling? I always liked Electric Blue on vehicles...

Safe journeys, Dan.  Enjoy the coffee 'n' ambiance -- probably a few grades better than we'll see this side of the water for some time yet.

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2014, 01:31:42 AM »
There is a bike shop near a bike path that I frequently ride on that specializes in electric bikes.  I rode on that bike trail today past that bike shop, somebody was on a bike that had a huge battery compartment.  I started thinking from that what my response will be next time somebody asks if my bike is an electric bike ... ... Yup, and since I have a generator in my front hub, I do not even need to carry a battery to power the rear hub.

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2014, 01:57:21 PM »
I bought one to get back into using a bike, its hilly round these parts!, Panasonic drive, no peddling no go, used it for a couple of years, before selling it for a Rohloff equipped bike,  and yes I've had the its electric comment,  

They certainly have there place, and if at some point in the future I find I can't manage on a normal bike then I wouldn't hesitate to get another,  

THIS ^^^

Is the key advantage of pedelecs/power-assisted bikes - the ability to introduce/re-introduce people to cycling, to overcome their fears of how 'hard it all is'. I have heard of numbers of folks who have comne back to cycling  and are still active - even moving to a regular bike and even selling the pedelec later on. More people riding bikes (pedelecs included) has got to be a very good thing.

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2014, 02:07:43 PM »
I suffer dreadful health problems which take to Hospital weekly. I will never ride or promote electrified machines.

In the hospital...... Do you use an elevator or take the stairs  ;) :D


Generally (note meaning) these bikes are 'ridden' by people who should not be on the road.
Wobblers, people who are wanting to be seen as doing the correct thing, but making a mess of it.

This a sad, sad way to condemn people who are trying to get out and ride.


I have even encountered these things being ridden by power not pedal, along the pavement.

European pedelecs cannot be ridden under power-assist without pedaling. Stop pedalling - the motor stops working. So we are talking about at least two different beasts - the power-assist that uses a throttle to tow you along,; and the pedelec with automatic torque-controlled throttle that assists your pedalling. The third type is the Chinese/Korean/USA/backyard jobbies that are over-powered and have little intention to be pedalled much at all


Note how it has pedals.... Oh yes, it is bicycle sir  ;)





Just for a little fling!


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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2014, 02:38:14 PM »
Topic locked by Dan for now, as little new ground is being covered and things are degenerating to a more personal level. After a week or so, I'll open things up again provided there are some fresh perspectives. Meanwhile, two maxims come to mind:

1) When at loggerheads, sometimes one has to agree to disagree.

2) A man (person) convinced again their will...remains unconvinced still.

The electrified bicycle debate has its analog in platform vs. clipless pedals,  drop handlebars vs. straight, kickstand vs. Click- Stands vs. gravity, derailleur drivetrains vs. Rohloff, etc.

Plainly, these things are vital for some while others wouldn't even consider them. The real beauty of cycling is how it allows us each and all to get there in our own way, as proven just today on a long climb up from a ferry slip in Serbia. The pleasant fellow I spoke to on the short voyage was from Belgrade and on his first tour, using a city bike. I'm a reasonably accomplished cyclo-tourist in good condition with a deep mileage base riding top level purpose built equipment...and I don't mind saying Milos smoked me up the hill. What a talented climber! I really admire his natural ability and was so impressed. Just goes to show (to twist a phrase by Mark Twain): "You can't tell by looking how far a frog can jump!". True, that. Same holds true with how we all approach cycling. Thankfully, there's no one right way

Topic comes back open in a week.

All the best,

Dan.

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2014, 09:19:00 AM »
All unlocked. Let's try this again.  :)

Rather than going down the "electric bikes are good/evil" route, let's focus more on how they work, the kind available, advancements in the technology, shortcomings, and how to keep the batteries charged on tour...that sort of thing so we can advance the topic and not get caught in a loop as before.

Plainly, these things aren't for everyone, but there loud of good technology to discuss as well as the practical means for implementation and installation as well as use.

All the best,

Dan.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2014, 04:01:03 PM by Danneaux »

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2014, 10:27:46 AM »
Hmm, 50kms in 1 hour equates to approximately 30mph which does sound like a moped type speed
and this would tend to mandate a license, a crash-helmet, insurance, vehicle excise duty, MOT, lights, indicators, etc

Just chipping in to point out that the original quote was "She uses her bike for a daily round-trip commute of 50 kms, about an hour in each direction", i.e. 25k or 15mph.

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2014, 01:51:16 PM »
Lots of mythology around these pedelecs, it seems ... I'm going to say Goodbye To All That & sign off for two months, leaving for Berlin this afternoon, then cycling in Denmark next week with our daughter, followed by a couple of weeks tout seul in Sweden and Germany--sure to be some e-bike sightings there, and well-mannered debate (!)  Then a month of family holiday in Turkey.  Back in mid-October, just in time for the autumn foliage/November rains :-(  and to see what resolution we have on the e-question.  Safe riding all.

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2014, 01:56:31 PM »
Have a great time!

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2014, 03:05:46 PM »
All the best to you, John. Safe wishes for fun and happy travels. Looking forward to hearing all about it on your return.

Dan.

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2014, 03:23:23 PM »
All unlocked. Let's try this again.  :)

Rather than going down the "electric bikes are good/evil" route, let's focus more on how they work, the kind available, advancements in the technology, shortcomings, and how to keep the batteries charged on tour...that sort of thing so we can advance the topic and not get caught on a loop as before.

Plainly, these things aren't for everyone, but there loud of good technology to discuss as well as the practical means for implementation and installation as well as use.

All the best,

Dan.

As always the voice of reason speaks. 

I was interested to hear Brian Robinson (first Brit to win a stage if the TDF) admit to riding an electric bike up the hills of Yorkshire at the age of 83.  I'd like to ride an electric bike up the hills of Yorkshire when I'm 83.  Or older.  Younger would do as well.

I was sorry to hear he was knocked off by a car though.

When my electric Sherpa is finished (still waiting on the motor) I'll post details if it's of interest.

All the best Dan and hope you're still enjoying the coffee wherever you are right now.

ian


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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2014, 04:00:14 PM »
Thanks so much for the good wishes,  Ian. I'm currently 100m from the dark waters of the Black Sea here in Constanta, Romania, having made too-good time with some days close on a couple - hundred kilometers. Now I'm done with my planned tour... and left with three weeks before my flight.

Hmm.  Maybe time for a little mountain work in the Carpathians, or a visit to Bram's castle?

I'll leave here in the morning. Constanta has been a bit anticlimactic and even disappointing after the largely rural nature of the greater Eurovelo6.

I...did fine on the hills marked as 9%-10% grades,  but wouldn't have minded the occasional boost with my full touring load as they topped and occasionally doubled that.

By the way,  Austria -- whose government has seen the economic rewards of embracing bicycle tourism on the EV6 and rewarded it with the best infrastructure -- can boast of ebike charging stations. Lots of people were riding ebike there, though the vast majority were locals instead of tourists. Seems to me a community infrastructure of public and work - supported charging stations might go far toward increasing the practical use of pedelecs for journeys beyond local.

On my outward/westward journey, I met a Swiss couple going the other way. He had sold two Rohloff-equipped bikes in favor of a Pinion with belt drive In a custom frame and seemed happy with it. He offered a test ride but tbe bicycle was dangerously too large for me to safely handle. He was a big guy, close to two meters tall. His much smaller wife said she wanted to accompany him but lacked the physical strength, so she was riding a pedelec which she recharged at reach night's lodging. It was the on-demand type which provided assistance only if she was pedaling.

In this way, two physically mismatched riders could enjoy the same ride... together. She carried a spare, pre-charged battery just in case,  which seemed a wise move to me. "After all", she told me, "it allows us to double our distance if we wish or if the first lodging has no vacancy". She carried the spare battery in a dry sack atop her rear rack and said she took care to avoid getting the contacts wet on either battery.

She estimated she actually used the pedaling - assist about half the time, depending on factors such as hills or if her husband was setting a fast pace. She said the assist allowed her to keep a fast enough pace to beat some rain clouds on several occasions.

I'm not very familiar with this realm,  but her bike appeared to be designed as a pedelec from the beginning, rather than a conversion. It also sported a control for selecting the amount of assist, which seemed useful. She said on flat roads she would often lock it out entirely or dial up just enough assist to take the edge off headwinds, which she found exhausting when using muscle power alone.

In this case, equipping the less accomplished rider with a pedelec opened up a whole world of companionable cycling and adventure for this married couple. Both agreed it had opened a new dimension of shared activities.

I'd surely be interested in details of your conversion,  Ian.

All the best,

Dan. (...whose interest in the topic stems in part from a childhood spent racing electric slot cars...and rewinding the motors for greater speed)
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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2014, 04:43:32 PM »
Safe journey home, Dan, after your splendid Euro-tour -- look forward to photos and text (had problems opening your blog, dunno why.) 

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2014, 05:07:09 PM »
NY Times (a major newspaper in USA) had an article yesterday on electric bikes in Europe.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/19/business/e-bike-sales-are-surging-in-europe.html?_r=0

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Re: Is that one of those electric bikes..... ?
« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2014, 08:58:42 PM »
NY Times (a major newspaper in USA) had an article yesterday on electric bikes in Europe.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/19/business/e-bike-sales-are-surging-in-europe.html?_r=0

I attended an electric vehicle festival sponsored by our local university last weekend, helping a friend who is just opening a shop. He will offer several brands across a broad price range, from expensive but delectable Dutch-made Gazelles to agricultural and utilitarian Chinese-made EzeBikes.

One of his distributors is a young American chap, who was telling me that, on a recent trip to NYC, "e-bikes were everywhere". This, despite they're being illegal (as a bicycle).

My view is that this technology is a game-changer in transport, and will revolutionise commuting and traffic infrastructure, especially in Australia, where bicycle-specific infrastructure is coming from a relatively low base. This has to be a good thing for all of us treadlers, so I say "Bring it on!"