Author Topic: Do you match one another's pace when you tour with a friend?  (Read 207 times)

Moronic

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The attached image shows a touring companion as he recedes into the distance, and while that's perfectly natural on a downhill such as this one it's also what I see most of the time when the two of us are out on a trip. For a while. And then he disappears.

He's stronger than I am, and his touring steed, an ancient aluminium-framed mountain bike with an almost equally ancient plastic saddle, is much less comfortable to ride than my Mercury 650B, which perches me on a perfectly broken-in Brooks B17.

The discrepancy in comfort I offer as an excuse for his preferring to travel much faster than I can. But he doesn't allude to that when he explains himself. He says everyone has their preferred pace, and his just happens to be faster than mine.

Fair enough. But I've toured with other riders whose natural pace was more speedy than than mine, and they've chosen to take it easy so that we can chat. Sure, from time to time they might sprint up a hill while I reached for my granny gear. But where possible we rode side-by-side, remarking on the scenery or carrying on a conversation about whatever topic seemed most entertaining. Similarly, when I'm on a trip with someone who's slower than I am, I tend to match my pace with theirs.

I'd not previously thought much about which style I preferred. But after a recent trip of the former kind, I realised that I do much prefer the latter kind. For me it's more fun to be chatting with someone where effort permits that, and to share in remarking on sights, sounds and smells.

There is also more opportunity for taking in places of interest. "Hey, let's stop at that lookout/rural winery/picnic spot!" is not a possible suggestion when your lead rider has already whizzed past it.

I'm interested to know how fellow Thorn tourists who don't always ride solo prefer their shared tours to go.

To be clear, I'm not looking for anyone to tell me that my preference is the right way to do things: everyone has their own approach to touring, and even when one participant is mainly concerned to make pace there is still the planned lunch stop, and the yarning over dinner at the end of the day. And the leader can choose interesting spots for a shared break: I'm never that far behind.

So this is offered as a discussion for anyone who would like to share some experience. How do you handle pace discrepancies when you're out on the trail?

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Re: Do you match one another's pace when you tour with a friend?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2026, 08:21:44 AM »
Traditional methods might have included bricks in panniers or lowering tyre pressures, but you could also look at resetting his speedo so it over reads by a few mph……

Matt2matt2002

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Re: Do you match one another's pace when you tour with a friend?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2026, 09:50:34 AM »
On my first big tour abroad I hooked up with 3 others.
Really nice folks I fell out with quite quickly.
Different speeds was the main thing.
I wanted the tour to be mine and it became theirs.
After a few weeks I managed to take a different route and avoid them.

Looking back I should have agreed a daily rough stopping point and met up with them there.

The whole adventure/incident changed my idea of riding with other folks permanently.
I never ever ride with anyone else. And we're all happy!

Each to their own of course.
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Re: Do you match one another's pace when you tour with a friend?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2026, 04:20:12 PM »
I've found there's so many variables in pacing, I could write a book about the social dynamics. Instead, I'll summarize the high points of what I've found over the years...

The TLDR version is this: Make expectations clear from the outset and if they aren't met for either party, chalk it up to experience and select a different companion for future rides. You'll both be happier if you do. If you can't ride together and converse, then see if meetups along the way or at day's end are fulfilling enough to schedule future rides together.

1) From 1978-82 (before cellphones and GPS), I led cycle-tour groups professionally and the matter of pacing differences was baked-in. The most straightforward way to deal with it was to offer and divide tours and pacing into beginner, intermediate, and advance groups so people with similar physical ability were matched. Unfortunately, people often failed to estimate their abilities objectively when representing themselves. Sometimes, we needed everyone who signed up in order to meet costs and logistical goals, resulting in wildly varied groups. In either case, each group had people whose abilities *and goals* varied. As a tour leader, I found the one as important as the other to making for a satisfying group-tour experiece.

I was the sole group leader for each ride-group and fortunately stronger and more experienced than most of the participants, so I equipped everyone with a map and clear pace/route notes and most often "led from the rear", making sure the slowest riders weren't dropped off the back, while I occasionally rode up through the group to check on those ahead before dropping back. Those at the front were instructed to stop and wait for me if a turn seemed at all unclear. Regular, mandatory marked stops ensured the group bunched together at intervals. These stops usually featured some sort of interest point, activity, restaurant, or tourist destination where those who arrived early could become engaged enough to still be there when the stragglers arrived. These periodic meetups allowed for group sharing after the fact and provided a measure of bonding that wasn't possible on the road. "Mechanicals" (i.e. drivetrain adjustments, punctures) would sometimes enhance or torpedo these meetups, but holding to the rule that none could advance from a stop till all had arrived equalized things.

I adapted this "ride apart and meetup periodically" strategy when riding with mixed groups of friends who simply were unable to match pace to each other. It wwell sometimes with only a single companion of we were agreeable on th eplan from the start.

2a) On personal *day* rides, I found the best route to ongoing companionship while riding with a friend was to make expectations clear at the beginning this would be a "conversational/companionable/social" ride; that set out the need for compromise from the beginning. I found it easy to adapt my riding style (usually downward) in favor of camaraderie and sharing. If others couldn't or wouldn't, then future rides together were a no-go unless we mutually agreed in advance it would be an "individual ride together" where each would be on the same route, meeting-up only at pre-arranged stops or the end.

2b) As an aside, I've found riding a tandem can be a great pace equalizer that allows for ready conversation. Both parties arrive and depart at the same time and no one gets dropped. The more fit rider can beat themselves to a pulp and in doing so, makes things easier for the less fit. It can work well provided both riders accept the compromise of being yoked together and are well-versed in coordinating elements like mounting/dismounting and the nonverbal communication that comes through the timing chain.

3) *Touring* together with another person over an extended period of time is like a marriage for the duration of the time together. Some people just aren't compatible and trial separations or divorce are in order. For that reason, one ground rule I made for touring with anyone else on a single bike was to each be fully equipped so a break could be easily made if necessary. The catalyzing element in "breakups" always came down to terrain, weather, and personality more than differences in pacing that only get worse over time. Once the "resentment threshold" is crossed, the bar lowers by the day and remaining even-tempered can itself be enraging to those who aren't, leading to a complete loss of detente. For me, a good attitude has always been the most essential tool in my kit and I take adversity -- even over extended periods -- with equanimity. Not everyone does and people who don't will often lash out at the only person close to hand -- their touring companion.

This last element eventually cooked any desire to tour with someone other than like-minded family members for any extended period of time. It is no fun being the target of personal attacks because the weather turned unexpectedly bad or a hill was steeper than expected or a favorite coffee was not available at a restaurant rest stop, leading to an epic explosion and my acute embarrassment at the others' behavior toward waitstaff. I'm much better off riding solo and much happier for it and I find myself happily falling asleep in my own little tent rather than harboring homicidal thoughts in the pre-dawn hours.
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A last note: I've never had a problem touring at varied pace with family members, as everyone was happy to adjust pace and goals to match each other, usually somewhere in between but always favoring the less-fit rider or the one who wished to loiter or converse. When things go bad my family members were wired in similar ways to approach tough times with patience, determination, and a smile/shrug of the shoulders as we got on with it.

Best, Dan.

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Thanks for the responses so far. Interesting and helpful.

In particular, great to get your take Dan from so much experience.

"If others couldn't or wouldn't, then future rides together were a no-go unless we mutually agreed in advance it would be an "individual ride together" where each would be on the same route, meeting-up only at pre-arranged stops or the end."

Yes clear expectations are likely the key in my case, and I'd not thought to do that. Silly as that seems in hindsight. "Individual ride together" could also be adopted for the relatively short tours I tend to do, when required. With that clear then, for example, if I'm running behind and want to take in some point of interest that the leading rider has bypassed, I'm not messing up the program by electing to do that. We meet up at the day's agreed destination.

I'm not blessed with a big range of compatible riding companions, and this one is fun to talk to, competent, in most ways extremely considerate, and I've known him a long time and enjoy the overall trip experience. So that's a way to sustain and improve the partnership. 


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On a recent Scottish tour I met two ladies who were close friends. I saw them at the end of this particular tour and their dynamic was, er strained! Apart from the rigours of the ride and challenging weather I reasoned their respective levels of fitness had been an issue. One seemed much fitter than the other. I dare say they patched things up in due course. This is one of the reasons why I tour alone. I can curse my terrible hill climbing ( I must gear lower I think. 45 x 19 can be a cruel mistress) and do the downhill adrenaline rush without impacted upon anyone else!

Lest I give the impression of being a miserable cove I must emphasis how much I enjoy the campsite/coffee shop banter with the other cyclists and walkers I meet along the way.

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Even, or perhaps I should say especially, on a social/exercise outing for a few hours, or a day, my practice has always been, Everyone leaves together and returns together.

But it has never needed stating to my pedal pals because their practice is the same.

I'm keen on speeding down hills, but I wait at the bottom of the hill for the less brave (they claim less reckless) to catch up.

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The TLDR version is this: Make expectations clear from the outset
Exactly this, though sometimes even then someone is likely to have misunderstood what was agreed.
The only group (3 riders +) tours I've done have been with the CTC club group I regularly ride with, those tours are run very much like the regular day rides, there's a clear leader, you're expected to stay together OR you're free to go off and do your own thing but it's very much in or out and the leader isn't expected to accommodate you while you're off. Most of those tours have been for just a few days and have run exactly like the day rides, not that there isn't sometimes some minor issue, but nothing to cause a serious fall out. The couple I've done that lasted longer, 10 - 20 days, were showing some signs of strain by the end, though it was mitigated by having a couple of none moving on days were people were free to do their own thing, individually or in smaller groups.
I've had mixed experience on rides with one or two others and no obvious leader.  The riding pace is the least of it, that can be agreed and compromised on.  But it's hard to match personalities - I like to be up and away in the morning, anything the bike needed would have been done at the end of the previous days ride and I can't believe that people set out on tour with a poorly maintained bike! I like to get 20 miles in before breakfast and the bulk of the day's riding done before lunch, then the afternoons can be more relaxed. My idea of a photo stop is less than a minute and usually doesn't involve getting off the bike. I don't mind deviating from the route, but dislike changing the objectives and goals. I could go on, but you get the idea...
The shared touring that has worked well for me is what Moronic describes as the "individual ride together" and there's only one rider with whom that's meshed perfectly.  He's a much more powerful rider than me, but I'd likely be on the road an hour before him, he'd linger in a cafe and catch me up, or me him, he might shoot up a gratuitous hill to check the view while I stuck to the valley road. It was because we felt no obligation to stay together, that we enjoyed that time and often rode the bulk of the day together.   The mobile phone has made this sort of touring much easier. The other advantage is that you've had a different experience, you have something to talk about in the evening.
The sort of touring I've done where it's been more about the riding than the touring, A to B routes on a schedule, I'd rather do solo.  I don't think I could even agree a plan with myself!
Lastly, not really tour specific, it can sometimes feel that the rider shooting off into the distance is faster than they are. I get that on Audax quite a lot, some rider that passed an hour before is only a few places in front at the cafe!  Other riders are just incapable of pacing themselves, they'll set of on a 200 mile ride as if it's a 20 and be struggling in the second half, either needing longer breaks or simply crawling along.  There is an element of that with a tour, it isn't what you can do on day one that's important, but if you can still do it on day ten and twenty.
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