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Matt2matt2002

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Mothballing my Raven tour
« on: September 23, 2025, 10:51:08 PM »
Hi folks.
It looks like I won't be riding my bike until early next year.
Health reasons but the outlook is positive.
I'm in Scotland and keep my bike in an unheated but dry garage.
Temperature can dip below zero either side of Xmas.
Not usually damp inside the garage.

Bike hasn't been ridden since mid July.
Oil not due a change until October based on time rather than mileage.

Advice appreciated on storage/ oil change. Or anything else.

Thanks folks
Stay safe
Matt
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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2025, 12:33:11 AM »
All best wishes on the health reasons, Matt: will be thinking of you and hoping for a swift recovery.

The good news is, your bike will be waiting for you when you feel like riding again. Something to look forward to!

ATB, Dan.

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2025, 01:36:21 AM »
I often clean my bikes before winter, but sometimes winter occurs before I get around to it.  I washed my Nomad Mk II today, not sure if I will ride it again this year.  Was quite dusty, rode 50+ miles this past Thursday on gravel and it was quite dirty before that ride, probably had a few hundred miles of dust on it.

If you have any old style bike computers powered by a coin type battery, come spring the battery might be empty.  Thus, jotting down odometer readings, etc., is not a bad idea.

And if you have lights with disposable batteries in them, you might want to remove the batteries.

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2025, 05:16:32 AM »
Perhaps a good time to revisit Matt’s CGOAB chronicles of his recent trips to Thailand. Keep you warm and engaged even when the shorter days of autumn and winter arrive.
Best wishes Matt. TTTT again.

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2025, 06:32:33 AM »
My garage is reasonably dry, but in some weather conditions there can be condensation.

If possible, before putting it into "storage", clean the bike and check that everything that needs lubrication has it. If you have ridden a lot in wet weather, maybe open the Chainglider to check the chain. I generally do this about once a year.

The scheduled oil change in October should be good for the Rohloff. I try and ride all my own bikes at least once a month to stir up the oil in the hub gear, but this is probably overkill.

Otherwise, check the leather saddle for mould from time to time during the winter. An alternative is to take the saddle off and bring it indoors to a heated room.

From time to time, check that the tyres haven't gone completely flat. I don't think that is a problem if the bike is hung up, but the tyres can be damaged if the bike is standing on its wheels. I have latex tubes on 3 of my bikes, these lose air quite fast. Butyl tubes still lose air, but much more slowly. 

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2025, 07:43:01 AM »
Actually, from my days into classic and even veteran cars, I think that used mechanisms with oil all over them are a better deal through the winter than newly cleaned and serviced mechanisms. I change the Rohloff's oil when in the new season I want to ride it again. The worst thing you can possibly do to any kind of a tank or steel gears running in a shell is to service it and leave it standing empty when you know there will be condensation-making changes of temperature. The only other thing, except to check that there is air in the tubes to keep them from being wrecked, is to lift the rear of the bike up by the carrier and to operate the pedals (or the electric motor, which I also recharge at that time) briefly in gears three and five to cover everything in dirty oil, and to splash it everywhere, and to run the chain through whatever is in the Chainglider. I don't bother to open the Chainglider because I know what is inside, goo from the factory lube on which I run the chain for its entire life.

I even leave a light layer of dust on my bike so I can see if the condensation Martin refers to has formed and trickled down the outside of a tube to...where precisely, so I can determine whether I need to do something about it. A small pot of vaseline is good to have to hand, because vaseline is clean to apply and wipe off again, but be sure you don't plug airways that are supposed to be open.

If your bike is so filthy dirty with wet mud when you want to put it away that it is obviously imperative to wash it first, at least stand it inside in the heating for a few days to dry off the interiors of the tubes thouroughly before putting it in the garage.

Hope you get better soon, Matt. Like Dan says, your bike will be there waiting for you when you're ready to ride it again.

PS Something that rings a loud bell with me is a remark earlier in this thread about mold. Recently I lost a lady's handbag in very high quality sheepskin, that I used to carry paints in on my bike, to mold. One day while I was cycling with my doctor, an old pal, we found a mushroom so large he had to return with the car to harvest it. Sometimes I think that Ireland is the world capital of mold. My Brooks saddle is irreplaceable. I doubt that Brooks can still get leather as thick as that on my B73, and anyway it requires a special quality of leather, also very likely no longer available, to offer the honey colour I started with to make the special brown on my saddle by the judicious, timed application of neat foot oil, that matches handgrips which I toned by the same method, also starting with honey colour. So I check the underside of my saddle once a month too; the handgrips have soaked up so much wax from leather cycling gloves that mold can't get a foothold and anyway they're eminently visible.

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2025, 08:49:20 AM »
Andre's definitely had his three shredded wheat this morning LOL That was great fun to read; like playing a pinball machine!
Chaingliders, lady's handbag ( Lady Bracknall's perhaps ) and mushrooms so large they need a car ride home ( smoke one of those and you'll be flying home on your own astral carpet!!!)
Have you ever thought of a career as a writer?  ;)
Brilliant stuff!!!

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2025, 01:00:58 PM »
lift the rear of the bike up by the carrier and to operate the pedals (or the electric motor, which I also recharge at that time) briefly in gears three and five to cover everything in dirty oil, and to splash it everywhere

Yes. This is the alternative to riding the bike. Once a month should be plenty.

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2025, 03:31:38 PM »
Wow. Thanks chaps.
Overwhelming replies and well wishes much appreciated.
I mean that.

I'll wade through the hints and tips.
Saddle off and inside for sure.
Plus cover the frame hole?

Chainglider; open up, clean inside and lube check chain.

Tires, rotate and check for air.

After oil change, rotate hub in 3&5 every week/month.

 Cheers from Aberdeen Scotland.

Matt

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2025, 09:18:05 PM »
Hi Matt,
Places where alloy and steel meet are worth protecting with a little thin oil or a protectant like ACF50.  The places I am thinking of are where an alloy rack may bolt onto a steel frame using a stainless bolt - an ideal environment for corrosion with 3 different metals in contact.

I must contact you as I am planning a ride in Sri Lanka in March and I know you have ridden there.

All the best for future fitness
Regards
AndyB

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2025, 11:37:26 AM »
I think a lot of this list is excessive, but do as you wish.

On the dissimilar metal corrosion, if I have an unpainted aluminum seatpost, I grease it in a steel frame.  I use thread locker on my fender and rack bolts.

If a tire is flat enough that it visibly no longer supports the rim up above the floor, yeah that is bad for the tire but checking the air for quantitative pressure is not that important.

I do not bring my leather saddles indoors, but I have read on the internet of occasional rodents eating leather, but in my case I assume that the leather stain, etc., won't taste that good.  Never had a problem with leaving my leather saddles in the garage in winter, or summer for that matter.  That said, if your roof leaks, mine does not so that is not an issue.

Turning the crank?  I see no benefit.

If you clean the bike first, come spring if anything is wrong, it will be easier to see that something is wrong.   I lube the chain after I clean a bike, but wait for any water to evaporate before I lube it.  I do not use a chain glider.  And any disposable batteries could run down causing loss of data or corrosion, so preparing for that is worth it.

I generally do not touch a bike for about five or so months of cold weather.  Some years I put studded tires on one bike, so one bike might get ridden a few times, but I do not do that as much as I used to.

I only have a couple Lithium Ion batteries on a few bikes, those are inside the Luxos U headlamps.  I do nothing about those before winter.  If those types of batteries are on your bike, I have no suggestions on whether or not to do anything about them, that is up to you to decide.

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2025, 05:36:18 PM »
If a tire is flat enough that it visibly no longer supports the rim up above the floor, yeah that is bad for the tire but checking the air for quantitative pressure is not that important.
Agreed. With butyl tubes, tyres take weeks or even months to lose enough air to damage a tyre. Except if you have an undetected slow puncture or valve leak.

I do not bring my leather saddles indoors, but I have read on the internet of occasional rodents eating leather, but in my case I assume that the leather stain, etc., won't taste that good.  Never had a problem with leaving my leather saddles in the garage in winter, or summer for that matter.  That said, if your roof leaks, mine does not so that is not an issue.
My garage doesn't leak, but with the variable weather conditions here in South Brittany there is sometimes condensation. During the first COVID lockdown I insulated the walls and roof, which reduced the problem. But I still get condensation from time to time, usually when there is a rapid changeover from warm/wet weather at 15°C to clear cold weather near or below 0°C.

As far as rodents are concerned, yes they will eat leather if hungry enough. I had a bag of leather scraps used for patching stuff that I kept in the garage. After the mice got at it I put the scraps that were still worth saving in a cupboard inside the house. So far, no rodents have found a way into the house, but they do get into the garage and cellar, so I have to be careful about storing edible (to them) stuff. But bike saddles have never been a problem, I reckon it is too difficult for mice to climb up smooth steel tubes to get at a saddle.

Turning the crank?  I see no benefit.
If condensation might be an issue, IMO worth doing from time to time with a bike that isn't used for several months.

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2025, 12:00:04 AM »
If you clean the bike first, come spring if anything is wrong, it will be easier to see that something is wrong.   I lube the chain after I clean a bike...  I do not use a chain glider.
Turning the crank?  I see no benefit.
If condensation might be an issue, IMO worth doing from time to time with a bike that isn't used for several months.

If one uses a Chainglider, as Matt and Martin and I and others here do, you can't see what is going on with the chain inside it, and the easiest thing is not to open the Chainglider (itself a trivial task) and fit up again and perhaps service the chain out of sequence, but to circulate the grease/oil/wax inside the Chainglider. And, since by the same logic, you will anyhow wish to distribute whatever is inside the gearbox, turning the pedals with the rear wheel raised does both jobs in about ten seconds.

Of course it takes longer to describe the reasoning behind the ten seconds of work once a month than actually doing the work, but that is the nature of most engineering tasks. Bicyclists stand on the shoulders of four generations of thoughtful men.
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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2025, 08:12:05 AM »
Looking at the suggestion of occasionally turning the cranks (and I would also spin the wheels) - it can certainly not do any harm, takes seconds to do, and it gets bearings and gears to rest in a new orientation.

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Re: Mothballing my Raven tour
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2025, 10:37:53 PM »
I'd probably do most of what's been suggested, I can't think of anything additional. I suspect if you did absolutely nothing it'd be fine for a year or two.  I like being cautious with such things, but wouldn't be beating myself up if I didn't get round to it all.