Author Topic: Mobile Billboard for Bicycle Advertising  (Read 210 times)

ticktock

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Mobile Billboard for Bicycle Advertising
« on: February 11, 2025, 09:30:03 AM »
Anyone had any experience with mesh banners on bicycle trailer? Like these.
https://altterrain.com/bicycle-billboard-advertising-bike-promo-marketing-company/

I'm interested in wind resistance.
I'll be making my own design, possibly based on the Carla Cargo idea.

There are quite a few minimalist trailers for these banners, however I'm thinking there should be a lot of (steel) weight low to the ground & light aluminum encompassing the banner itself.
Banners I'm eyeing off are 1200 mm or 1600 high and can be 2400 mm long.
Bicycle trailer maximum regulated width here is 850 mm, so steel down below I'm thinking.

Keen for technical input from engineers or other like minded mini gurus.

Andre Jute

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Re: Mobile Billboard for Bicycle Advertising
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2025, 01:21:51 PM »
Zero experience with banners on bikes or trailers behind bikes. But the principles learned in automobile racing are relevant. There are illustrations in my book Designing and Constructing Special Cars, BT Batsford, London and Robert Bentley, Boston; see if your library has a copy.
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I'm going to treat this as a banner on the bike itself. A banner on a trailer might be more advantageous still, or more troublesome, depending on particular cases, as will soon become clear.

Calculate where the centre of gravity, CoG, of your bike is, horizontally and vertically, including your own weight.

Calculate where the centre of (aerodynamic) pressure, CoP, falls, horizontally and vertically, including the surface area of the tubing, the banner, the tires, the rider, and all normal luggage. You may treat the bike with the banner and you and the luggage and the bike as a plane (flat surface).

Now you have two points. In real life they wander around a bit depending on speed, road surface, and wind vector. For the sake of a first approximation, we'll assume that the static calculations you've made above represent an average of real-life points.

The first thing you want to establish is that the CoG and and CoP do not coincide. This is an unstable condition, resulting in positive feedback, where each unwanted action and reaction magnifies the error.

Furthermore, the CoP MUST BE BEHIND THE CoG, or any gust of wind, even a small one, will unseat you. This is the reason rear panniers from competent purveyors of bike gear are large and front panniers are lowriders, small so as to catch little wind, and low so that their weight don't cause dangerous steering conditions.

The vertical height of either point determines a lever arm perpendicular from the ground. Make an experiment; hold the bike up with one hand but lightly, and with the other hand press against the saddle and then against the bottom bracket. See how easy it is to push the bike over if the lever arm is long, and how much more difficult if the lever arm is short.

A CoP a little way behind the CoG makes the bike stable through generally negative feedback.

There is also a horizontal lever arm between the CoG and the CoP and, given that the CoP is properly behind the CoG, the longer the lever arm is the more sluggish the bike's reaction to the controls will become until it becomes a beast you don't want to ride even in a parade on city streets.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2025, 01:41:30 PM by Andre Jute »

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Re: Mobile Billboard for Bicycle Advertising
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2025, 02:12:03 PM »
Andre largely beat me to it with a reply, so I'll simply reiterate that when it comes to towable banners, crosswinds can be very problematic and can only partially be countered with minimal frontal area to the direction of the wind, low center of gravity, a wide stance, and hitch placement. A mesh banner can help and landscape rather than portrait format for the advertising media to keep weight and wind loads closer to the ground.

In my view, the best design I've seen that encourages wind spillage and stability is this one...
https://www.massivemediainc.com/bicycle-billboard

With bike-mounted and single wheel designs especially, you may wish to consider liability insurance in the event a stiff crosswind initiates a spill.

Best, Dan.

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Re: Mobile Billboard for Bicycle Advertising
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2025, 01:11:44 AM »
Well done, Dan, especially the bit about coupling the banner-trailer to the bike as low as possible.

I wonder how much air the mesh mentioned by the OP lets through.

Experience in an early Porsche Targa and a Mercedes SL of the R129 series, both of which have removable mesh curtains behind the seats to stop the wind created by speed mussing the customers' hair, has led me to believe that those two mesh curtains at least let through very little air.

Whether those examples are relevant to the current discussion is difficult to tell in the light of the difference in speed between a car and a bike, and the requirement of an advertising banner not to have holes big enough to interfere with legibility.

All the same, if an advertising banner, of the sizes in the illustrations in the links above, has mesh which lets through air, thus reducing the air pressure, it should be accounted for in the calculation of CoP

In modern terms, if a mesh banner lets through any appreciable amount of air, the effective size of the banner will not be its observed physical size. Its virtual aero size for the purposes of CoP calculations will be smaller than the observed physical size.