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mickeg

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Re: Sad news...
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2023, 07:37:54 pm »
But for touring, I would prefer Rohloff over Pinion.  For one thing, I prefer a chain over a belt because I use a smaller chainring for lower gear range when I go on a tour than I do for riding near home.  It is easy to remove or add a few links when I change chainrings.

You can run a chain on a Pinion. They are not belt-only drivetrains.

I was not aware of that, every photo I have seen only had the belt option.  But, my preference for chain is so that i can add or subtract a few links and change chainrings, that would become an expensive endeavor with a belt drive.

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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2023, 02:27:56 am »

The hubs, as we know, are extremely heavy, rob a lot of energy, produce a lot of drag that leaves you watching helplessly as your mates disappear on descents, and are almost impossible to get parts for or repair when they break down on tour.


I didn't think I needed to make it more obvious that this bit was intended ironically, but perhaps for researchers doen the track I do.

FWIW, in my experience the hubs add negligible weight, feel freer to ride than a well maintained derailleur drivetrain, and produce so little drag that I roll away from my derailleur equipped mates on descents (because I have faster tyres). I can't speak for parts or service because I've never needed them, and it appears that is true of most purchasers.

Thanks Matt for the comments on firm longevity.

John, interesting story about what drove you into the warm embrace of Rohloff. Mine was the reverse problem in similar circumstances: a refurbished derailleur drivetrain kept overshooting the front granny gear on downchanges. Even though I was careful to do them before I needed the extreme inside cogs on the rear. Possibly an issue with the new chain that went on, but the opportunity never again to troubleshoot derailleur malfunctions was too good to pass up.
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2023, 08:59:31 am »
RIP: Ride in Peace Herr Rohloff!

Like many of you, I have had little reason to have to come in to contact with the Rohloff company. I ride Rohloff, it rolls and is reliable. Pretty much riding, running repairs and this fine forum are my only links to the great man!

But the mechanical wonder bearing his name has made a huge difference on my life. I’d treated myself to a Rohloff geared bike as an early 50th birthday present to myself to inspire me to ride more to help lose weight after a stroke. I already had good working derailleur bikes and could never justify the purchase till that time even though I had envied a colleague with his Utopia Rohloff bike, but not the entry price to the Rohloff club.
Although my bike doesn’t ride better or worse than my two derailleur bikes, it requires a whole bunch less maintenance and unbeknownst to me at that time circumstances would soon change giving me a huge advantage as a Rohloff owner.
Firstly lockdown. Although bike shops could supply during lockdown, demands were high. But I commuted approx 15,000 km right through lockdown  with a bunch of spares in a shoe box just in case. Other than oil changes, a cable replacement and a sprocket/chain exchange, nothing really needed doing.
Just when we were coming out of lockdown I had a series of medical situations keeping from working or riding for a good 6 months. Returning to my reliable Rohloff and the true low maintenance drive train meant I could run components for longer than recommended service intervals without much concern, and it all worked and worked and worked.
I appreciate Herr Rohloff‘s gift to the cycling world. The time I save not needing to repair or maintain my bike means I have more time for my family, more time for myself  and more time to recoup and recover during ongoing treatment and side effects of that treatment. Because I am inspired to ride my bike each day I can stay fit even when other parts of my health have not been good in the past year. My doc stated at time I was diagnosed that if I can stay fit, the chances of recovery are greatly improved. And Rohloff is helping me do just that!

Danke Herr Rohloff.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2023, 10:04:53 am »
Utmost sympathy to family and friends. I knew nothing of him as a man, other than what's in the Rohloff Stories book.

What a legacy, what a product, I can't think of much else that's remained so little changed for 25+ years.  I think it's future is assured, it's gained a new application on E-bikes, the collaboration with Bosch, so the motor and hub synch, offers the best of both. Like for others the hubs transformed my cycling, not least saving hundreds of hours tedious maintenance!
Yet although the hub is a wonderful piece of engineering, it isn't that which I most respect,  Geared hubs were nothing new, around before the derailleur. Neither was the idea of a wide range hub the first, the Sachs 12 speed Elan pre-dates it by a few years, it reportedly got a lot of the engineering right but the quality in production was woefully inadequate and it weighed a ton. The other big brands put plenty of effort into developing IGH's but never seemed to consider their application as anything other than utility.  Which brings me to where I have the most admiration for the company - What they had was confidence in the idea that people would spend an unheard of amount of money on a product if it was good enough.  And boy did they pull out all the stops to make it good enough! Time has proved the quality, that attention to detail paid off, it's hard to grasp how much effort must have gone into the development. It's not that no one else could have done it, it's that no one else considered it worth doing. When I bought my first it was almost four times the cost a Deore XT groupset. And although I think Moronic is right about the lack of advertising, I've never seen any for the hub in the UK, there was no shortage of promotion which they must have collaborated on. The original Raven was about £300 more than the hub alone and not much more than an equivalent derailleur bike.  Whatever the arrangements between Thorn and Rohloff it was being established at well below market value, I wouldn't have taken the plunge if not. I'd already decided I couldn't continue my dirty commute on derailleurs and had been eying up Alfine bikes, the Raven wasn't a hugely expensive upgrade. I don't know the situation elsewhere, but it needed such a collaboration in the UK, where the cycling scene is more sports orientated than in some of our European neighbours and I think Thorn were the perfect match.  They've always been prepared to look at things their own way and I think share the belief that people will pay for quality.
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2023, 12:42:55 pm »
... a refurbished derailleur drivetrain kept overshooting the front granny gear on downchanges. Even though I was careful to do them before I needed the extreme inside cogs on the rear. ...

I think I bought my first chain catcher about a decade and a half ago.  I have seen them with different names, I first learned of them as a chain catcher so that is the term I continue to use.  It keeps the chain from going too far to the left, that forces it to drop onto the granny gear.  The last three bikes I built up, I added the chain catcher with the initial build, did not wait to find later that I needed one.

Mine are plastic and strap around the round seat tube, but they make them to attach in different ways.

First photo, my titanium bike, the chain catcher is black and wrapped around the seat tube, there is a knob near the granny gear.

Second photo, black plastic chain catcher wrapped around my seat tube on my rando (audax) bike.  This is a better photo than the first, shows the shape of it better.

Third photo, one on my Sherpa.  This photo is over a decade old.  Black on black makes it harder to see.  I think this is the second one I installed.

This discussion reminds me that I do not think I put one on my Raleigh (yet?), I bought that as a complete bike in 2018, not one that I built up from parts.

Fourth photo, I recalled seeing this photo over a decade ago, it was cited in an article about a race and some knowledgeable photographer spotted this one on a professional racing team bike at a race, simply a piece of thick wire was bent for the purpose and installed on a professional racing team bike.  Pretty soon after this photo appeared, you started to see machined ones being sold that looked more professional than a piece of wire.  I saved the photo to my hard drive, as a friend of mine kept dropping his chain and he had a front derailleur that mounted that way on his bike.

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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2023, 02:44:04 pm »
The chaincatcher looks like a great idea mickeg.

And thanks to the late Mr Rohloff I'm not likely to need one.
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2023, 01:41:26 am »
Rohloff's Instagram page just announced Bernie Rohloff was suffering from complications caused by Parkinson's Disease when he passed.

I organized a small donation drive among local cyclists to a Parkinson's research and support group in his memory. It seemed a nice way to remember his legacy and inventions while helping others. Such organizations are available at local and national levels in many counties if you wish to pay your respects similarly.

Best, Dan.

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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2023, 02:18:51 am »
RIP: Ride in Peace Herr Rohloff!

Plus 1 to all of Steve's post that starts with the words above.

I've long been of the opinion that the longterm memory of Herr Rohloff will not be the gee-whiz technical superiority in its own time of his hub gearbox, or even its exceptional longevity, but the intangible effects, foremost among them the pure convenience he brought to cycling and cyclists. My cardiologist and my doctor agree that cycling has kept me alive. It is inconceivable to me that on a derailleur bike I would have cycled so much, especially considering that my derailleur bikes were so often stationary, waiting for parts, that I investigated buying a third bike just to have one in rideable condition, which in time led me to hub gearboxes and eventually to the Rohloff. Accession to Rohloff elevated cycling for exercise from a tiresome duty accompanied by oily hands and frustration to a hugely anticipated pleasure, and thus added years to my life. The value of that to my family, my associates, my readers and myself is incalculable, but surely exponentially greater than the price of a Rohloff HGB.

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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2023, 01:33:37 pm »
There's now a statement/tribute on the Rohloff website, in German though Google seemed to do a reasonable translation:
https://www.rohloff.de/de/unternehmen/news/news/wir-trauern-um-bernhard-rohloff?fbclid=IwAR1zuuxvwR22nVLU66NpbS7vPNaxKVm9_CXBMBG8Zz-TwRAlBW7O7Y2IXwo

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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2023, 12:04:39 am »
From a Facebook posting in answer to a question about the company continuing;
Robert Clark no not at all. The company is owned by its workers through stocks - the middle way between capitalism and socialism ;) They will continue to build the bicycles industry best gearhub.
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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2023, 08:07:21 am »
Thanks Matt great news!
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2023, 02:00:09 am »
The company is owned by its workers through stocks - the middle way between capitalism and socialism ;) They will continue to build the bicycles industry best gearhub.

Thank goodness for that.
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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2023, 05:27:32 pm »
Reading of B.R.'s passing made me at last decide to take the plunge ... and I'm now the happy owner of a Mercury.
Been wanting one for ~20 years but always felt that I couldn't justify the cost.  But having retired recently I came to the conclusion that [1] you can't take it (£) with you, & [2] if I don't get one now it will soon be too late.
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2023, 03:27:49 pm »
Reading of B.R.'s passing made me at last decide to take the plunge ... and I'm now the happy owner of a Mercury.
Congrats on the new bike, it ought to be worthy of a few photos and a thread of it's own.