Author Topic: Adjusting the Chain Tension on the Nomad Mk II Bottom Bracket Eccentric  (Read 3773 times)

mickeg

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There currently is a short debate on a different thread about the Nomad Mk II bottom bracket eccentric.  I thought I would start a new thread on how I adjust the chain tension on my Nomad Mk II in case others are curious, or they may buy a used Mk II and are unsure how to do it, or perhaps they have a different bike with that type of eccentric.  This way there is a new thread that can easily be found in the future.  I own a Nomad Mk II, but no other Thorn Rohloff bikes, thus I can't cite a list of other bike models that this applies to.

The Nomad Mk II has two set screws that tighten to hold the eccentric in place, these set screws are conical where they press into the eccentric and leave a permanent small conical depression (I call that a divot) in the eccentric.  Thorn has been clear in their instructions that you should avoid putting the divots too close to each other, as a groove can result.  And a groove could allow the eccentric to rotate, which would allow the chain to loosen when you do not want it to.

Years ago on this forum, someone described how he did it, he removed one eccentric bolt so he could see where the divot in the aluminum eccentric was before he adjusted it.  I have been using that method ever since and I think that is the key to adjusting the eccentric on the Nomad Mk II eccentric.  I built up my Nomad Mk II in 2013, or about eight years ago.  This method has worked well for me for most of those years.

When it is time to adjust the chain, I remove one of the pinch bolts and loosen the other.  I can see inside where the divot into the eccentric is, that divot is centered in the hole where you removed the pinch bolt.

This is the pinch bolt:
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/bottom-brackets/thorn-m8-extra-fine-conepointed-screw-for-eccentric-bottom-bracket-shell/

The diameter of the pinch bolt is 8mm.  Thus the radius of the pinch bolt hole is slightly less than 4mm.  I always look inside the hole and rotate the eccentric so that the divot from the last adjustment is on the edge of that hole and then tighten one pinch bolt there.  Thus I put the new divot slightly less than 4mm from the previous divot, not closer. That prevents a groove from forming because all divots are well spaced out on the eccentric.

And after you wear a few chains out, you have put several well spaced divots into your eccentric at distances that should match all of the adjustments you need for your chain.  If however you change a chainring or sprocket size you may find you will be adding more divots to the eccentric.

My complaint about the eccentric design is that I would prefer infinite adjustability, but I have learned to live with the lack of that on my Nomad Mk II.  There have been a few times I started to adjust my chain and found that I could not move the eccentric as far as I wanted to for optimum adjustment without putting a new divot closer to an existing one than I wanted to do.  In that case, I restored the chain to the previous adjustment instead of tightening the chain.  One result of that is that I no longer attempt to adjust the chain as often as I used to.

Several years ago one of my pinch bolts was a bit loose and I noticed that before it could fall out.  Since then I have wrapped a rubber band around the two eccentric bolts so that the bolts can't rotate unless the band is removed.  The band became a good cable guide too.

I do not use a torque wrench on the pinch bolt, perhaps if someone knows the correct torque setting to use, they could cite that in a comment below.

ADDENDUM, August 16, 2023, added bold font to one paragraph above.

ADDENDUM, January 20, 2025, added a photo of the divot in the eccentric when looking through the pinch bolt hole.

« Last Edit: February 20, 2025, 08:50:56 AM by mickeg »

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Re: Adjusting the Chain Tension on the Nomad Mk II Bottom Bracket Eccentric
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2022, 11:28:11 PM »
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...perhaps if someone knows the correct torque setting to use, they could cite that in a comment below...
Per Thorn's Bike Owner's Manual PDF available for viewing or download at http://www.sjscycles.com/thornpdf/ThornBikeOwnerManual2Web.pdf ...
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Retighten the eccentric screws to 10 – 17 Newton meter (torque) 7.38 to 12.54 foot-pound-force.

Best,

Dan.

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Re: Adjusting the Chain Tension on the Nomad Mk II Bottom Bracket Eccentric
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2022, 09:50:03 AM »
I do use a torque wrench and so far have found that  tightening to max 12Nm is sufficient. I normally wait for chain wear  slack to reach at least 60mm (ie T1-T2  on page 12 of the Thorn guide referred to above). On one occasion I left tensioning until there was about 65mm slack, the one occasion the chain jumped off the chain ring when I was freewheeling slowly over a patch of poor road surface.

Andyb1

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Just resurrecting this as my Raven pinch bolts came loose yesterday on my way back from SJS (possibly due to ACF50 in the frame?).  I was surprised how slack the eccentric was in the frame with the bolts loose - definitely not seizing!  Earlier in this thread mickeg’s suggestion of using pieces of innertubes to lock the bolts sounds good, Thorn have suggested locktite, what (if anything) do others use to keep the pinch bolts tight?

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 No tips from me, but I’m pleased you have highlighted a very useful older post that I couldn’t find - thank you!

mickeg

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One of my bolts came loose early on after I bought my Nomad Mk II, which is in the bold text in the first post.  I tried a thread locker like Locktite (blue, removable) but did not like it because as noted above I remove one screw completely when I make an adjustment.  And reinstall it later.  With thread locker, that made the removal and reinstallation process longer by several minutes.

So, I cleaned off the thread locker, use grease, chose the rubber binders instead.  I usually use two (as in the photo), just in case one breaks.

I have had no trouble with my eccentric seizing up in place.  My bottom bracket shell is painted, the eccentric is anodized, I should not have any dissimilar metal corrosion occurring.  I do not add grease in between, have kept it clean.  If I get any grit in there, I do not want that to get stuck there, and it could get stuck in there if I had grease in there.  Also by keeping it clean, it is not water tight.  If any water gets into my seat tube, it will drain out of the bottom in the gap between the bottom bracket shell and eccentric.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2025, 12:33:57 PM by mickeg »

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...what (if anything) do others use to keep the pinch bolts tight?

I use thin jam nuts with great success. For size and specifics, see...
https://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=14551.msg109035#msg109035

Best, Dan.

Andyb1

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The pinch bolts on my bike have hex heads and do not have enough free thread to add locking nuts (I assume that is what jam nuts are?).  Perhaps bolts with grub screw ends would be better?

I will try mickeg’s inner tube binder solution as that obviously works for him.  I must also carry a 15mm spanner!

mickeg

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...  I must also carry a 15mm spanner!

Get one narrow enough that it will also fit on your pedals in case you have to remove or install pedals as part of your shipping.  Most pedals can be installed or removed with that size wrench.

Pedals can be really tight, but if you do not tighten them too tight, a 15mm cone wrench might also suffice.

I later bought one of those eccentric bolts to carry as a spare on tour, just in case I lost one.  Odds are I never will lose one, especially with two rubber bands preventing them from unthreading, but it would be nearly impossible for me to find one other than from SJS so it was worth the cost to me since I later placed a few orders with SJS.

UKTony

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I must also carry a 15mm spanner!

The Thorn 3 in 1 spanner might be worth considering except you’ll need to check that the pin spanner end of it is right for the eccentric BB on your early Raven Tour.

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tools/thorn-3-in-1-bottom-bracket-eccentric-tool-for-73-mm-shell-raven-bikes/

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Thanks Tony, my EBB has ‘teeth’ around the outside so a small peg spanner works fine as the EBB rotates easily.   I carry a pedal spanner when on tour abroad but not when local - I will have to modify my toolkit.

Mickeg - a couple of times you have said you are keeping your Sherpa - for tours when a derailleur bike might be best?  I can understand you keeping the bike - but I just wondered what would decide you to use the Sherpa on a Tour?

For me, for my 2 Indian trips, it was simple - cost.
My secondhand Sherpa in good running condition (new bearings, transmission etc etc) stood me £500 while my other Rohloff bike (Oxford BikeWorks) cost me nearer £4000 new and I did not want to risk it on planes and trains.  If the Sherpa had got stolen or damaged I could have psychologically walked away and shrugged my shoulders.  I would have felt very different loosing a £4000 bike.  As it was the Sherpa did not get damaged - it just needed a new chain.
My Raven once all set up will stand me at under £1000 so a bigger investment but I think the Rohloff hub is worth the extra.   I hope to go to Sri Lanka next winter and there is always a risk (mattmatt’s Raven got fork damage on his flight out there a few years ago).

Sadly I think the Sherpa will have to go as I just can not see why I would use it and two bikes is enough!

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Seems like we’re all changing chains and adjusting tensions atm. I’m another!
Despite doing much more than 3,500 kms on my KMC chain and having plenty of adjustment left on the EBB I put a new chain on ( another KMC ) although I’m really not too comfortable taking links out etc.  ( thus disproving the theory that one inherits one’s Father’s genes) Nevertheless It’s done OK with plenty of adjustment available.
Similarly to George I stretch a section of inner tube over the EBB bolts. I cut a couple of slots in it for the bolts. I’ve found this stops a lot of grit/mud/dirt gathering on the bolts and the elasticity of the rubber further secures the bolts in place should they work loose. FTR I use a tube from a racing -type bike; sometimes found discarded in hedgerows in the UK!

I do muse if a belt drive set up might be easier but my MK2 Nomad is not suitable for one. Plus I’m very invested in ‘Henry’ so it’ll just have to do!

With the oil changed all I need now is a reconditioned back and then we’re good to go!

PH

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Teeth around the outside of your EBB insert, indicate it was designed to be turned with a C-Type spanner, the advantage of that design is it can be turned without special tools, Just stick something like an allen key or screwdriver in an indent and use the crank as a lever.  Having said that, I have never had to adjust my EBB at the roadside, though I don't do long tours either (Max 3 weeks).  If you're already carrying a pedal spanner, you're sorted. But if you do want to carry at other times, there's plenty of lightweight 15mm options intended for wheelnuts.   

Sadly I think the Sherpa will have to go as I just can not see why I would use it and two bikes is enough!
I'd never question the number of bikes anyone has, but I wouldn't consider keeping two bikes that are so similar.
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Since I ride a belt drive on my Nomad Mk3 these days, and my pedals take a hex key, I wonder if I can safely leave the Thorn 3-in-1 spanner at home. Since belt drives do not get re-tensioned after after a Gates-authorized bike shop has determined the correct tension, I shouldn't need to ever adjust the EBB on the road.

And while we’re on the subject of the 3-in-1 spanner, has anyone else destroyed the spanner part of one? I tried to remove some pedals on my city bike that had seized, and I rounded-out one of my Thorn spanners from the effort. These are apparently made from very soft metal.

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And while we’re on the subject of the 3-in-1 spanner, has anyone else destroyed the spanner part of one? I tried to remove some pedals on my city bike that had seized, and I rounded-out one of my Thorn spanners from the effort. These are apparently made from very soft metal.
Yes in exactly the same way.  OTOH it could be described as a feature rather than a fault, the EBB screws shouldn't be tightened anything like that much, it might be a good thing for the spanner to break before the frame.