Author Topic: Thorn Rohloff "Scorpion" stainless prototype (size 55L) for sale at SJS Cycles  (Read 6635 times)

Danneaux

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Hi All!

Thorn has a stainless steel 29er for sale on the SJS Cycles website. It is listed as a prototype and is offered with some caveats but might make a very "interesting" ride for someone.

Details here: https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/bikes/thorn-scorpion-stainless-steel-55l-29er/

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Dan.
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mmmm. Different and with some faults, but of course someone with 'spare' cash...
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That looks an interesting bike, not so much for the material, but the design.  I'm interested to see where Thorn go, if anywhere, from the prototype stage.  Their other forays into MTBing didn't last long, but this crossover type bike is very much on the rise.  I bought something similar last year, I did consider the Nomad, but it didn't quite offer what I was looking for, though this at a glance does.

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That looks an interesting bike, not so much for the material, but the design.  I'm interested to see where Thorn go, if anywhere, from the prototype stage.  Their other forays into MTBing didn't last long, but this crossover type bike is very much on the rise.  I bought something similar last year, I did consider the Nomad, but it didn't quite offer what I was looking for, though this at a glance does.

Nowhere. Andy Blance the Thorn designer is now retired.

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Nowhere. Andy Blance the Thorn designer is now retired.
I didn't know that and I'd wish him a happy retirement.
Though I'm a little puzzled why anyone would think that that would end any future development.

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Nowhere. Andy Blance the Thorn designer is now retired.

Ouch. I didn't know that. Makes me wonder about the future of the company. I had already been wondering about that, in fact, after I just had to cancel a new bike build Thorn created for me last year and that I was looking forward to ordering, since I am on the continent and the EU's new rules of origin for products means the customs duty would be punishing. Can Thorn hang on with just the UK's internal market?

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I've always been a sucker for a pretty face - that bike looks amazing (IMHO)

Re chain tension. No mention of EBB and nothing obvious to me. What am I missing ?

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When I double the size of the photo, I can just see an eccentric in a large BB shell...

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Dan.

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Nowhere. Andy Blance the Thorn designer is now retired.
I didn't know that and I'd wish him a happy retirement.
Though I'm a little puzzled why anyone would think that that would end any future development.

I do not think it will 'end' development, but looking at the current frames they are all 'multi-purpose' as they all have derailleur, hub, and either disc or rim brake appendixes ' So no need for any further work? Maybe lighter frame material but I think pretty unlikely.

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Nowhere. Andy Blance the Thorn designer is now retired.

Ouch. I didn't know that. Makes me wonder about the future of the company. I had already been wondering about that, in fact, after I just had to cancel a new bike build Thorn created for me last year and that I was looking forward to ordering, since I am on the continent and the EU's new rules of origin for products means the customs duty would be punishing. Can Thorn hang on with just the UK's internal market?


The future for Thorn is as it has always been-forward. See previous response.
John
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When I double the size of the photo, I can just see an eccentric in a large BB shell...

Thanks Dan - mystery solved.

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Ouch. I was looking forward to ordering, since I am on the continent and the EU's new rules of origin for products means the customs duty would be punishing. Can Thorn hang on with just the UK's internal market?
Perhaps Thorn will have a little less competition in the UK if the same rules apply in the other direction and the same customs duty will apply to bikes imported from Europe?

Getting back on topic, what are the benefits of a stainless steel bike? No problem with rust if permanently stored outside and used on salty roads during winter?

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...what are the benefits of a stainless steel bike? No problem with rust if permanently stored outside and used on salty roads during winter?

I wouldn't count on that, John. Stainless steel comes in many varieties and most of them are "rust-resistant" rather than "rust-proof", and the others are not rust-proof either but corrode slowly enough to excuse careless speaking. However, the ones that don't corrode over bicyclist lifespans are horrid to work with in approximately direct proportion to their invulnerability to the elements and salt.

Decades ago I designed the chassis for a large nostalgicar to be driven by a V12 engine. Since the thing was to be pricey and production capped at 100 by Euro type-approval regs, we contemplated getting it built in stainless but the welding was such a pain, in the end we put a few stainless subframes on the prototype which was otherwise built of steel -- until the fitters rebelled, saying the laser cut holes in the stainless were impossible to ream or bodge. I brought out my own notorious boss bodger and in dead silence opened up the bayonet (I mean literally; the thing was a WW1 soldier's knife with a bayonet about six or seven inches long); even the strongest of the mechanics succeeded only in bending the tip of the bayonet! We built the production chasses in steel and sprayed them with zinc instead. Quite a few years later I was in the proto shop supervising the shortening of a Bentley chassis for my summertime picnic car, when I spotted an interesting very large chassis outside against the fence: it was my unzinced steel proto, which wasn't in much worse condition than the stainless subframes which remained n it, as measured by scraping off the superficial corrosion and putting a rise-and-fall gauge on the depression left. On the way back to Cambridge I stopped by the builder of the nostalgicars to tell him to save the money he spent on zinc spraying (for which the prep is a labour-consuming and hence expensive business). He'd studied the proto through the fence when he drove by the year before and had since formed an opinion that the stainless was a dead end even for specialist engineering of our kind.

Having had painful experience of small-tube welded titanium space frames (they break), I'm not a fan of ti either, and would actually prefer stainless to ti if they were the only choice.

Personally, I think foamed aluminium, bonded together down the entire longitudinal centreline of the bike, is the future of bicycles, with steel as the longterm survivor for the niche markets. You'll notice I don't even mention carbon fibre; it's a short term distraction; in forty or fifty years people will be nostalgic about the "lost bicycles" of the carbon era.

I have a couple of perfectly good ali bikes but can't think of circumstances under which I would choose an ali bike over well-proportioned steel; steel just has greater kinaesthetic satisfactions and fewer of the micro-irritations that lead to repetitive stress injuries.

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Perhaps Thorn will have a little less competition in the UK if the same rules apply in the other direction and the same customs duty will apply to bikes imported from Europe?

I don't know about Thorn but Spa Cycles in Harrogate have stopped shipping to the EU. There is a full explanation on their web home page.

My personal opinion is that, one way or another, trade between the UK and the EU will return to some sort of 'norma'l within no time. We will see.

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I do not think it will 'end' development, but looking at the current frames they are all 'multi-purpose' as they all have derailleur, hub, and either disc or rim brake appendixes ' So no need for any further work? Maybe lighter frame material but I think pretty unlikely.
I'm going to stick with what I know, rather than play guessing games.
I know I bought a frame like this last year, I'll just check that, yep look over my shoulder and there it is.
I know Thorn have nothing else like it in the current range, otherwise I'd have most likely chosen it, certainly have put it on the shortlist.
I also know, from this thread, that Thorn have got as far as the prototype stage.  Whether it goes any further than that, neither of us know and time will tell.

As for the idea that there won't be any more models because the range is complete, was that any less true five or ten years ago?  Would anyone then have guessed the 2021 range would look like it does?