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il padrone

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2020, 08:13:25 am »
I have been using the Pletscher Multizoom for ten years now on the Thorn Nomad Mk2. I broke one once (heavily loaded bike on an outback tour) in 2012, but know a bit more about how to care for it in use. Current one is 8 years old and supports the fully loaded bike very nicely.

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2021, 02:09:20 pm »
I bought one of these. On the plus side it is a lovely piece of engineering all the holes in the right place. It's expensive but I can understand that. It's pretty specialised and there can't be too many takers. And yet I am totally baffled how it actually fits in with a rear rack and mudguards without the whole lot being thrown off centre. It would be interesting to see what you have done on the other side of the hub after fitting the adapter. It basically is a ca. 15mm spacer with the hole to fix the rack in moved a bit to the south east. That is enough to put the whole rack at an angle. Unless, unless we are supposed to but one for each side? Am I missing something or is this not really worth the time or the money.

Yes I've read all the recommendations about not fitting kickstands to Thorn bikes but where I live a kicks stand on a bike is de rigueur. All the bikes at in the cycle store at work are lined up supported by their kick stands. If you have to take up wall space for your bike you are something of a social pariah  ;).

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2021, 04:28:58 pm »
I bought one of these. ...

And yet I am totally baffled how it actually fits in with a rear rack and mudguards without the whole lot being thrown off centre. It would be interesting to see what you have done on the other side of the hub after fitting the adapter.
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I am not exactly clear on what you have and what the problem is.  But I am guessing that you bought this:
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/thorn-dropout-adaptor-with-kickstand-mount-18-mm/

And I am guessing you do not have anything on the otherside that looks like that, but instead have a couple M5 threaded holes that do not line up for mounting a rack.

The first photo attached is from the rear of my Nomad Mk II.  When I took the photo I did not have any mudguards fitted.  Note the stainless steel thing in between the rack and the frame dropoout on the drive side.  It is basically the same as the kickstand adapter, but without the arm that the kickstand attaches to.  You should have one of those, if you do not then I can see your difficulty in mounting a rack.

The second photo attached shows the same thing but from a different perspective, my bike is upside down in this case.  Again you can see the stainless steel fitting between the frame and rack dropout.  And, you can see that on the inside of the dropout between the frame and hub sprocket, that one of the bolts that holds that stainless fitting to the frame is longer and has a nut threaded on it, that nut is between the sprocket and frame.  If I was running mudguards, I would have attached the stays for the mudguards on that bolt using that nut.  The bolt must be short enough that it does not get too close to the sprocket.

Third photo shows my Nomad Mk II with mudguards attached and you can see how I attached a rack and mudguards.  If the photo looks odd, it is winter, studded tires on the bike, ice on the ground, and the bike was less than a year old so it was unusually clean.  This website might have that photo rotated sideways on your screen.

I am not using the Thorn kickstand adapter, I am using something else to mount my kickstand, so do not let that confuse you.


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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2021, 06:29:27 pm »
Thanks for taking the time to reply and post those photos which I am looking at carefully.  The adapter I was writing about is exactly the thorn dropout adapter with kickstand mount. Now I am wondering where I would get the type of stainless steel fitting that you have. I guess this is what I need (obvious really):

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carriers-racks/thorn-for-rohloff-cast-end-2-x-m5-to-1-x-m6-stainless-dropout-adaptors/?geoc=SE

Would have been a big help to know about the need for this when buying the kickstand mount especially as I'm ordering from the EU now which is not plain sailing.  Possibly something they could add to the blurb on the website (assuming its the right solution).

Thanks again. Much appreciated.

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2021, 09:38:10 pm »
Yeah, there are two versions:
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carriers-racks/thorn-for-cast-end-2-x-m5-to-1-x-m6-stainless-dropout-adaptors-mk2
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carriers-racks/thorn-for-rohloff-cast-end-2-x-m5-to-1-x-m6-stainless-dropout-adaptors/

It might be a good idea to contact SJS with your bike model and serial number and verify which version you should buy, but I suspect you can buy the one on sale price.

They should advise that you need one of these if you use the kickstand adapter and also use a rack.

I built up my frame in 2013, the Thorn kickstand adapters were not available at that time.

il padrone

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2021, 09:44:35 am »
Good lord! I know the idea of that is to take the load off the chainstay & seat stay but I would really be much more concerned about the risk of breaking your rack mounting bolt on a regular basis. Not an ideal solution in my mind.



It would be MUCH better if Thorn would build a two-bolt stand mount onto the Nomad frame (and others) just like so many top-quality European touring bike manufacturers do.

[edit] OK, now I see that it is a 5mm to 6mm conversion plate. Still, my final comment applies. Just do it, Thorn!
« Last Edit: July 08, 2021, 09:50:29 am by il padrone »

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2021, 10:47:11 am »
... especially as I'm ordering from the EU now which is not plain sailing.  Possibly something they could add to the blurb on the website (assuming its the right solution).

Thanks again. Much appreciated.

If you are ordering from the EU, I've ordered from Starbike a few times.

Not Thorn specific stands, but they have a selection of kickstands that might work for some set ups and where you don't want to fuss with the import faff from those newly exited ex EU countries in Europe.

=52]https://www.starbike.com/en/search/?q=stand&cid[]=52

And I feel your pain on 'parking correctly' on the continent. My eldest son sees me as a social pariah when I don't use my kick stand. I curse every morning when I get my bike out if he was the last in the bike shed as he insists on standing his bike on its stand and then does mine too. With a narrow storage space and a door with 90 degree turn to reverse out of, the extra 40cm he took up standing them rather than leaning create a royal pain of a job to get mine out without first undoing all his OCD bike stand effords. That is when he outs himself as a German dominant dual national and less of a Brit dominant like his brother and sister  :o

I do love my and use stand at other times. Just not in the bike shed.
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John Saxby

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2021, 02:38:30 pm »
Ummmm...  Keep it simple'n'light is my advice:

One of these, 5-segment preferred: http://www.click-stand.com/


And several of these:  https://bikebrake.com/

Cheers,  J.

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2021, 04:32:03 pm »
Ummmm...  Keep it simple'n'light is my advice:

One of these, 5-segment preferred: http://www.click-stand.com/


And several of these:  https://bikebrake.com/

Cheers,  J.

What a clever reinvention and marketing of what looks much like a fishing rod support and rubber bands. But if it works... why not?
Personally, the 'always attached' kickstand suits me better, but I'm usually carrying nothing more than an Ortlieb with my lunch, mini tool kit and a change of clothes as predominantly using my bike as my means to commute or at a push a day trip. But if you were touring with a full complement of supplies weighing in on your bike, that solution might well be more effective.
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John Saxby

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2021, 08:12:51 pm »
Thanks, Steve.

I use my Click-stand mostly when touring, but the Bike-Brakes stay on my bars & I use them all the time.

The Click-stand is also v handy when cleaning chains & cogsets on my derailleur bikes: allows me to cant the bike over to the right, so that none of the chain cleaner-and-crud spills onto the rear rim & tire.

The five-segment Clickstand folds up to fit nicely within an Arkel handlebar bag; my  four-segment one I just fold in half & tuck into one side of my Revelate framebag.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2021, 03:35:40 am by John Saxby »

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2021, 10:36:47 pm »
I really prefer a real kickstand like I use on my Nomad Mk II and on my Sherpa.  I was not aware in 2013 when I built up my Nomad that Thorn was opposed to a side stand like the Greenfield that I use, I have also used one on my Sherpa since 2010.  But I think that the warranty on those ran out before I saw on this forum that Thorn says that using one can negate your warranty.

I have a home made stand similar to the Clickstand that I use on my titanium bike and another that I use on my folding bike.  But I am hesitant to use a Greenfield sidestand on the titanium stays.  And such a stand does not fit properly on my folding bike.




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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2021, 03:48:39 am »
Ummmm...  Keep it simple'n'light is my advice:

One of these, 5-segment preferred: http://www.click-stand.com/


But if it works... why not?

Mostly, it does NOT, with a fully-loaded touring bike. Friend of mine has tried the clickstand, and broken them twice. They simply do not take the load of a bike with 30+ kgs of camping gears.
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il padrone

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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2021, 03:58:30 am »
This DID work for me, for a couple of weeks on tour. An emergency solution.


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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2021, 11:40:08 am »
@ il padrone - that is the swiss army knife of bike stands you just invented. It is nore than just a stand. Need an implement to keep wild animals at bay? It doubles as a club. Get a ball, an impromptu alternative for cricket bat. Attach upwardly to your rear paniers with a bright t-shirt afixed to the top and you have a hi-vis flag & pole to help you be noticed in traffic. Connect some string and tie other end to a tree and you have a clothes line. Need a cuppa at the end of a long ride- and you'll have your firewood too.

So where can you get this multipurpose bike accessory? I've heard trees have them in stock. They have branches all over the world, so we can all get one soon.
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Re: Kickstand on a Nomad or a Raven anyone?
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2022, 09:52:58 am »
Is this adaptor for the MK3 only ?
I have a MK2 Nomad