i bought them for a half/semi fat build, on one 456 frame
2.5 tyre on back with 8 speed alfine hub, 3 inch nokian gazzalodi up front
was going to run a patterson crank and a tensioner
would of been different
wanted it for walking the dog along the estuary, get's a bit sludgy
thought it would of been all right bashing about on the moors for an overnighter or three
btw it's not a sales pitch, unless you have a bambi or jun air compressor you want rid of lol