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John Saxby

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« Reply #135 on: June 17, 2015, 04:36:31 AM »
Magnificent old tree, Jim!

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« Reply #136 on: June 17, 2015, 04:47:24 AM »
This is a note on the first of a couple of rides I made in the first two weeks of June.

Midweek in the first days of June I made a short overnight ride up into the hills across the Ottawa River in West Québec, in the Gatineau Park. I needed a break from the city, and wanted to check out some new camping gear I had purchased over the winter.

I regularly make a 3 – 4 hour ride up into the hills, partly for training, partly for sheer enjoyment, but that ride is further to the West, to the escarpment overlooking the Ottawa River as it turns north just west of the city. The Gatineau Park is a spacious funnel-shaped affair, about 40 km south-to-north, narrow at its southern base (only a km or so wide) but widening out to 40 km wide, east to west, at its northern side. The park is laced with 200-odd kms of hiking and biking trails in the summer, which are used for cross-country skiing and snowshoeing in the winter. In the larger, northern sectors, there are several campgrounds accessible by road, as well as some campsites reachable only by canoe.
 
For this trip, I booked a campsite on Taylor Lake, in the north-central part of the park, just at the “Parc de la Gatineau” symbol on the Google map of Ottawa and West Québec: https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.6204967,-76.0266725,11z

The trip included an enjoyable loop, maybe 120 kms round trip: I crossed the Ottawa River into the southern end of the park, climbed to a ridge overlooking a lake, then took a nice long downhill out of the park to the village of Chelsea, an excellent spot for coffee, ice cream, and some very good eateries. From there I headed east and north to the Gatineau River, and rode along the river to the riverside village of Wakefield, about 60 kms or so from home. It makes a splendid spot for lunch, with a view across the river to the old covered bridge. From there, it’s a short 25 kms westwards to the northern entrance of the park, and to my campsite at Taylor Lake.

The brilliant green of early summer has softened the landscape, and I had an altogether lovely campsite. There were a couple of other parties in the neighbourhood, but none closer than a couple of hundred metres away. I spent a relaxing afternoon and evening, pottering around the camp, soaking my legs and feet in the lake, but not swimming—still far too cold, as we had had night-time temps down close to zero the week before.

There was a good breeze beside the lake, so the bugs were barely noticeable. (The next day, in the woods, there was no wind, and the mozzies took their revenge whenever I stopped for a photo. Brutes.)

The next morning, I took an old settler road south through the park to Chelsea. The road is passable gravel in the summer, and a ski trail in the winter. In the link to the photos below, I’ve included some shots taken in mid-February, and ones at similar or identical spots less than four months later, in early June. The landscape is not just different, but completely transformed: “All is changed, changed utterly/Our annual summer beauty is reborn.”  (Thank you, Mr Yeats.) I’m always astonished by the amount of light in the woods in winter, compared with summer’s dense canopy of foliage. (Helps if you like trees. Jim K will find the scenery familiar, I’m sure.)

Here’s a link to a selection of photos taken along the route:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/echnrn9akxa0kp1/AABNMnlxAZQV2thiHxskUBnRa?dl=0

We’re so privileged to have this place on our doorstep.

A note on the gear I was checking:  I had invested in some lightweight and compact gear, partly to reduce weight and bulk, partly to renew equipment past its best-before date. These were the items:

  • A Tarptent Moment DW one-person tent, very light at one kg, but spacious, with two vestibules. Packed size: 10 cms x 45 cms.
  • A Western Mountaineering summer-weight down bag, just less than 600 gms, and a packed size of about 12cms x 25 cms.
  • A Revelate “Tangle” frame bag, which straps to the top tube, down tube, and seat tube.
  • A Klymit Inertia Force sleeping pad, about 350 gms in weight, and about 10 x 20 cms packed. This was a bit of a gamble/experiment: the pad is inflatable, and its air chambers are a set of large bagel-shaped rings for one’s torso, with a separate inflatable pillow and a conventional chamber for one’s feet.

First impressions, with more to come as part of a post on a four-day ride this past week in the Madawaska Highlands:

  • The Tarptent Moment is spacious and well ventilated. The dual vestibules are very handy. It pitches fairly easily and quickly, although the central hoop pole does not slide as quickly and easily through its channel as I had expected. It seems to be very well made. Definitely an upgrade from my faithful-but-aging Sierra Designs Cliplight. One detail, noted in the setup instructions, on which I’ll follow up: the ripstop nylon floor is quite slippery for sleeping pads and my WM down bag with its ripstop nylon shell. This puts a premium on pitching the tent on level ground! Tarptent recommends a few swathes of seam-sealer on the floor to add some friction.
  • The WM bag was expensive, but is fabulously comfortable, and ridiculously light and compact.
  • Revelate frame bag: Very well made, it mounts in a straightforward manner, but there are six Velcro tabs to be fastened, so it’s not a quick-and-easy on-and-off. I used it for my rain gear and my Click-stand. Very handy, and unobtrusive when I’m riding. The only slight negative is that the water bottle on the inside of the downtube nudges the bottom of the bag, so that it’s not quite as easy to return the bottle to its cage while in motion.
  • Klymit sleeping pad:  On balance, this didn’t work well enough for me. It seems well made, and is crazy-light and compact. But, there’s a design flaw. The bagels don’t hold enough air to support my weight (86 kg) when I sleep on my side, usually about 50% of the time. On my back, it’s quite OK. Maybe it would work better for someone 10 kg lighter? For the time being, I’ll stick with my Thermarest Prolite Plus, which is slightly heavier, and quite a bit bulkier, but supports my weight & is durable.

Beyond the (mostly) pro’s and (some) cons of the new gear, the aggregate of lighter and more compact items made a big difference in the load I carried. On this trip, I left my 28-ltr pair of Arkel front panniers at home, and thus could have left my front rack at home as well. The reduction and relocation (to the Revelate bag) in the size and weight of my camping load allow me to look at using smaller/lighter panniers and/or dry bags. More on that in the report to come on my Madawaska ride.
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Re: Rides 2015 — add yours
« Reply #137 on: June 17, 2015, 06:55:40 AM »
My! What a fabulous ride report, John, and photos to boot!

Really looking forward to your ongoing observations wrt your new gear and how it all works out for you.

A quick question: By any chance, do you know the lowest nighttime low temps while using your new Western Mountaineering bag? I've been pleased with my REI Sub-Kilo women's size large bag (the women's bags have extra down in the head and feet and fit more snugly than the men's with less shoulder room, so less airspace to heat) and it has a hard comfort limit for me of 0°C atop a pad in a tent with my base layers on. I'd like to get a sense of how cold you think the WM might go for you, keeping in mind we all sleep differently warm.

My observations on the Klymit pad are much like yours. I sometimes sleep on my side, and tend to punch through many pads as a result. I may start off warm/comfortable enough on my back, but can awaken when I turn on my side. I have finally given up and have settled on my ~1kg dua-layer Nemo Tuo Standard pad for 'most all conditions; when the temps drop down toward -17°C and I'm on exposed rock, I haul two of them with my and layer them.

All the best,

Dan.

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« Reply #138 on: June 17, 2015, 01:01:10 PM »
though I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of cycling on either B roads or smaller A roads...

Around my town all the main roads, and most of the minor ones, are somewhere between lethal and stressful to cycle on. But over time my group of pedalpals have developed local knowledge to such a pitch that we mainly ride on lanes (virtually all blacktop) and little-used country roads, or even on well-used country roads at those times when they're quiet. Yesterday we rode a 22km loop, including a piece of road that is nasty if you don't catch it right but on which we met only a handful of cars by traversing it between the rush hour and the soccer mums fetching the kids home from school, and didn't have a single moment of stress. (Believe me, meeting a bus on a road only 12ft wide with broken verges is not to be recommended. You'd better pray the ditch flows your side of the thorny hedge...) I also learned, discussing heart rate brackets with my doctor on the ride, of yet another loop with steep hills (for getting your respiration rate up on a short ride) that exposes you for less than 50m on one of the lethal roads.

Of course, the key phrase is "local knowledge". On the map, one of my favourite quiet roads actually looks to be bigger than several of the most dangerous; it's just that it leads nowhere except a small farming village just a wee bit too far from the city to have become a dormitory town. Yet.

The perspective changes over time. Last week a fellow stopped his car on the road to come talk to me. He used to cycle with me. His bike is now hung up because he considers the roads too dangerous. He reminisced about how 25 years ago we would ride out after dinner in the dark of summer nights, thirty and forty and fifty miles on roads which are now so stressful that on one of them that starts 50m from my front door I won't go for even a kilometer, turning back on a scenic corkscrew and riding up a very steep hill instead to get back to town via a detour on safe roads.

It's amazing how many attractive cycling loops you can set up with the accumulation of local knowledge. Not that it helps the tourist passing through, or camping; those who stay in guest houses can ask and will usually be told which are the safe areas and roads, and even in some places be given a map.
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« Reply #139 on: June 17, 2015, 04:09:54 PM »
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do you know the lowest nighttime low temps while using your new Western Mountaineering bag?

Thanks, Dan, for your kind words. On the WM's "real" temp rating (i.e., as it applies to me!): 

The nominal rating is 0 degrees. We can approach that anytime in May; May can also have daytime highs of 30. The night I camped at Taylor Lake, the night-time low was about 5 - 6 degrees, and that made for a nice sleeping temp. I did put on a pair of polypro liner ankle-high socks, and wore a longsleeve lightweight merino top, plus a pair of boxers.  I left the hood drawstring of the bag on the loose side--I don't like to feel my head too tightly enclosed, so if it gets cold (I'm follicly challenged) I'll put on a muff or a beanie before snugging up the drawstring. On this night, I didn't wear any extra head covering.  One thing that the WM bag doesn't have, is either a drawstring or downfilled yoke across the shoulders/chin opening; my -7 MEC down bag has both, and for subzero temps, I'd say those are necessary. On the WM bag, I liked the extra wiggle room across my shoulders.

From my experience so far, I'd say that the WM bag would be fine to 0 degrees. Below that, and maybe even approaching that, I would add polypro longs, maybe a midweight l/sl top, and a beanie. I really like my 3-season (-7) MEC bag, but it's much more than I need for summer camping, or even anything from early May to late Sept. If I were in the high country in the shoulder seasons, even the Adirondacks, I think I'd use the warmer bag.  The extra weight & bulk are a drag, though.

One additional note: For ages, I've been lugging around an emergency space blanket, all 60 gms of it.  From a comment by an Aussie on crazyguy, I decided to do what she does, and use it as a heat-reflecting groundsheet under my DW Moment -- not on my Taylor Lake overnight, but on my Madawaska ride, where I had one cool night about 5-6 degrees. That seemed to make the floor of the tent less cool.

Hope that's helpful, Dan -- not really a precise answer, I know.  More to come after this season, but so far, (i) the bag is a very good buy; and (ii) I think I'll use it if I make my "planned" trek in the Rockies in July 2016.  Cheers,  J.

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« Reply #140 on: June 17, 2015, 04:30:17 PM »
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the key phrase is "local knowledge"

Thanks, Andre.  So true, eh?  I make my 4-day ride through the Madawaska Highlands along back roads, and sometimes I'll see a motor vehicle once every 20 minutes or so. At other times, there'll be dump trucks hauling gravel for road work, but I've found that their drivers are considerate. That's not always the case in the city or the 'burbs, quite the contrary.

One of the difficulties of cycling in many parts of Canada, is that there simply are not many roads, hence many choices for back roads. This is especially so on the Canadian Shield -- there's just not enough settlement. (Southern and Central Ontario, and parts of Eastern Ontario do have a good supply of country roads; but, these tend not to have paved shoulders. Québec, with its investment in La Route Verte province-wide cycling network, is much more bike-friendly.)  From time to time, as a result, you can find yourself on a busy stretch of a "secondary" road. Then, you really have to watch out for the jerks young men in a hurry driving big Ford and Dodge pickup trucks. Last Friday, I was rolling south on my long ride home on my last day (in the rain), and had to deal with a straight, but up-and-down 11-km stretch between a small town and a hamlet. This was the worst part of my ride, except for the ghastly exit and arrival from Ottawa, along the suburban arterial roads (which at least now have bike lanes and/or paved shoulders, most of the time.)

I'd still like to organize a LEJOG trek in the UK, if I can suss out the routes; and maybe extend that to include some of Ireland too. Still to be determined, however -- all too often I find myself saying, surrounded by motorists in SUVs, pickup trucks, and high-end German sedans apparently trying to kill me, "I don't need this."

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« Reply #141 on: June 28, 2015, 10:39:39 PM »
Crazy weather around the USA. Record breaking heat out where Danneaux lives. Here it's cool and rainy. I'm still getting out a bit... getting rather wet too sometimes!

The streams are up!

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« Reply #142 on: June 29, 2015, 02:40:31 AM »
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Crazy weather around the USA. Record breaking heat out where Danneaux lives.
<nods> Yes, Jim, it has just been torrid out here, and -- today excepted -- there doesn't seem to be much if any relief in sight for as far out as the long-range forecasts go (mid-August).

Eugene broke a record for high temperatures the other day, and we're on-track to do it again all this coming week.

The Sugarlof Complex fire in Central Oregon has now grown to 5,50 acres and the little town of Dayville was evacuated this afternoon. yesterday, it was 98°F/36.6°F here...and I have no air-conditioning (not often hot enough long enough to justify it), so the thermometer on my office wall read 87°F/30.5°C. Not counting all the fires started by lighting this past Friday, the Oregon Department of Forestry has suppressed 301 fires. Currently, 20 small fires are burning in Douglas COunty, just south of Lane County, where I live.

I'm back home for awhile now, rather than going back and forth between the Coast and Coast Range for work, so the contrast in temperatures is really noticeable. I need to be careful with my hydration while cycling, and make sure I wear my sun sleeves and buff to block the intense sun. The number of fires going forward will make tour planning a real challenge! As for me, when I go I may well rely on pre-cooked/uncooked food, rather than risk a spark. I sure wouldn't want to cause a fire, nor be caught in or behind one.

Jim, if you can spare a little water, please send it this way -- the Willamette River at the end of my street is low, low, low, with lots of exposed gravel bars. We need water! That photo of yours is just lovely. I can feel the green-coolness from here!

All the best,

Dan.

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« Reply #143 on: June 29, 2015, 02:52:41 AM »
100 in Eugene - that really is crazy!

We had some dry weather maybe a month ago with some wild fires that took a few days to get under control - there was definitely some smoky haze floating up the valley.

Stay safe, Dan!

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« Reply #144 on: June 29, 2015, 09:11:53 AM »
Crikey! That,  combined with the dire water shortages in California...What have you guys been doing to upset the weather harpies? We have the Wimbledon strawberry eating festival this fortnight ( they also hit balls at each other too! ) and a heatwave is scheduled to arrive during the tournament. I shall load up on extra water as I ride to escape the "Oh I say" and "Glorious backhand" soundbites.

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« Reply #145 on: June 29, 2015, 12:17:34 PM »
Well on saturday myself and Darragh got 77km on the tandem  we had a grear spin even tho the weather dull and windy ,this year has been unreal  for wind   seldom  do we get a calm day .
we would have done more km only Darragh was playing at a wedding so had to get back for that.
i'm starting to enjoy this tandem stuff  tough at first what with balance and cadence  and starting off but we have it spot on now 123 go simple as that  ::) photos on facebook sorry no idea how  to post pic here.
stay safe folks enjoy  the summer..

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« Reply #146 on: June 29, 2015, 05:15:28 PM »
You have a mouse, Anto? Right, it is as simple as grabbing and dragging a photo between two windows. Sit in front of your screen, open Facebook, take hold of your mouse:

With Facebook open and looking at your post, click on the photo or photo group. The photo storage opens with a larger view of that photo.

Find the photo you want by clicking to the left or the right of the photo you see.

Open a second window for the Thorn forum. Open the post in which you want to place the photo or start a new post.

When in Facebook's photo storage you see the photo you want, grab it with the mouse, drag it into the Thorn post.

You will now see a buncha gobbledegook, something like this:
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10422588_802378153202370_1230720542926682964_n.jpg?oh=6789033f00bb3b16ee25a94fb95946fd&oe=5627A9F9
Select it all, and click the graphic icon (in the second row of symbols on the Thorn forum reply page, second from the left, next to the blue world-sphere). That turns it into a visible image.

[Picture of currently competing tandem deleted -- Dan.]
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« Reply #147 on: June 29, 2015, 06:05:34 PM »
A very nice tutorial for Anto, Andre, but we need to generally limit featured non-Thorn bikes here except as they have common features that are helpful to others dealing with similar issues and features -- as with the Rohloff hub, Hebie Chainglider, and now electrifying your own non-Thorn bicycle.

The Thorn Forum is a wonderful community and playground, but it is paid for by Thorn's own dollars and intended primarily as a sales tool and user-support forum for its bikes...if currently competing brands are featured, then it amounts to biting the hand that feeds us. Forum members have been good to realize this.

Fortunately, there are a number of other Fora that are not factory-sponsored where the broad scope of competing bicycles can be openly featured and discussed.

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Dan.
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« Reply #148 on: June 29, 2015, 07:52:09 PM »
ah sure im sure its good advice for other stuff  cheers Andre anyway. ;)

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« Reply #149 on: June 30, 2015, 10:51:10 PM »
Dan, I posted photos of my Bromptons just a little while ago (in the non-Thorn related section), before reading the above. I did think about the competition aspect, but took the view that, as SJS very prominently sells the brand, which in no way competes in Thorn's space, it would not be an issue. If that was presumptuous, please remove/edit as necessary.

As you know, I inhabit many bike related fora and social media pages, but I consider my Thorn Forum buddies my closest friends in the space. (Several of them are also connected with me elsewhere.) As friends do, we love sharing bike-related happenings in our lives, not all of which are Thorn-related.

As always, keep up the good work. That's why Thorn pays you the big bucks!  ;D ;)