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Philb

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Sherpa or Club tour?
« on: September 16, 2012, 09:28:11 AM »
Hi all. I'm looking to do some touring in  (Australian) summer and I'm looking to purchase a dedicated frameset and I've settled on ether of these and have parts to build both .

I do like the idea of the Sherpa as a load lugger, but am bit put off with the frame only taking 2.125 tyres as a maximum and to be honest there are time when the shear speed of the Club Tour would be nice as I don't have unlimmeted time to tour!   

Any imput would be apreciated

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2012, 10:14:55 AM »
Well if your only going to be hauling light ,ish loads although the club tour is well capable of carrying your loaded panniers, i would be buying the club tour maybe even the audex frameset a nice set of wheels and slick tires on either frame and your away in a hack as we say over here ;)
i ride the sherpa  super bike for loaded touring and a good all day bike but its by no means a fast bike  bit to layed back for that i think, mind you i have rode my sherpa many a time in the sunday morning road group  hard going at times only got dropped in the last 10 miles  ;D ;D
have fun with which ever bike you decide to buy.

Philb

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2012, 11:18:29 AM »
Hi. thanks for your advice. I already have an Audax Mk3 and I was thinking a Club Tour frameset would enable me to carry a heavier load with more stability. But I have a MTB which I would swap parts to a sherpa frameset to save money and not get another bike.

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2012, 12:17:09 PM »
Phil you wont be disappointed in the sherpa promise really well finished good paintwork all the braze on's you would ever want, but get the bottom bracket shell faced by thorn or good bike shop if your going to be using outer bearings bottom bracket.it comes with square taper b/b and headset/ seatpost. ;)

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2012, 01:41:26 PM »
Phil
have/had you thought about a Ripio. Designed for big tyres  and all your mtb bits and a big load.
Best wishes
Ian

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2012, 03:43:38 PM »
I don't think you'd notice much speed difference between the Club Tour and Sherpa, particularly with a full load of panniers on board.
I have a Sherpa and an Audax Mk3, and although the mk3 is definitely faster and feels much lighter and more comfortable (springy), when I look at my average speeds over a regular 60km ride there is only about 2km/h difference between the two bikes.
So if I were you I'd get the Sherpa.

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2012, 07:36:24 PM »
Hi Phil!

What a wonderful dilemma...it's always fun to bike-shop and see what's "out there" when contemplating a new purchase.

Putting in my two cents' worth...

My 1983/94 Centurion Pro Tour rando bike has front and rear pannier racks, does well touring with about 40-odd pounds/18kg of gear, and uses 700x32C road slicks on Mavic MA-2 rims with 15g spokes. It was my main touring bike for many years, and is very close to the Club Tour in basic spec (uses standard road-diameter Tange Champion No. 2 frame tubing). Weighs right at 32lb/14.5kg and I regularly ride it on 300-400k day rides including gravel logging roads -- loaded and not. I think of it as my all-'rounder, and I can't imagine better for my general needs. Again, very close to the Club Tour's spec and mission as a "traditional" tourer.

In comparison, my Sherpa Mk2 rode very similarly, but was "more" bike in terms of having a larger-diameter, sturdier frame and a lot more weight in my chosen wheels (Rigida Andra rims and 2.0 Schwalbe Duremes -- a brief change to 1.5 skinwall unbelted slicks made it feel like I had turbocharged it, but at the expense of ride quality). Overall, it weighed 10lb/3kg more than the Blue Cent. It, too, was a great all-'rounder, but at the "heavier-duty" end of the spectrum. I had it setup with drop handlebars, and configured that way, I think it would be fair to describe it as a "super-duty" touring bike in feel and mission. It was pleasant at all speeds, but did not feel as lively as my Blue Cent but did far better at the more rugged end of things. A good part of this was due to the frame, and a good part was due to the tires. I think the frame made a bigger difference when touring with a load, and the tires made a bigger difference when riding unladen.

Tires and wheels make a huge difference to the feel of any frame, especially when riding unladen.

With the introduction of the Sherpa Mk3, the gap between it and the Club Tour has narrowed a bit. Though I have not ridden one, looking at the brochure and specs and depending on frame size, I think a Sherpa Mk3 with Rigida Grizzly rims and 1.5 or light 1.75 tires would come very close in feel to a Club Tour running wide 700C tires on heavyish rims -- especially when ridden unladen. The Sherpa Mk3 has a reduced load capacity compared to the old Mk2 due to smaller tubes. Some has been returned through the use of a fork with heavier SuperTourist blades that allow a greater load up front, but the frame itself has a bit less orientation toward expedition touring.

With all the above in mind, I would say if you plan to do a lot of loaded touring on poor roads, then the Sherpa Mk3 with Grizzly rims might better suit your needs due to available tire choice. You could always go with lighter, narrower tires to make it feel more lively when riding unladen (they may not have less rolling resistance, but they do accelerate faster and so "feel" quicker).

If most of your riding will be with moderate loads and a majority on paved roads and/or unladen, then the Club Tour would be a great choice.

If it is important to sometimes have tires wider than 2.125, then another bike entirely would be a better choice. Building on Ian's suggestion, how 'bout a Ripio...with a Mt. Turo fork? That could be the best of all worlds for your needs, and could always be fitted with lightish Grizzly rims and 1.75 tires for a good all-'rounder when not loaded touring. A simple tire swap would get you much of what you seek when touring in the rougher stuff, and the fat tires would go far toward protecting the lighter rims while allowing go-anywhere capability.

I hope this helps. Others will have excellent suggestions of their own for you to weigh. Please let us know as you refine your desires and hone-in on the "perfect" bike for you (and it will be, no doubt!).

All the best,

Dan.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2012, 10:44:12 PM by Danneaux »

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2012, 10:57:37 PM »
Thanks for the imput guys and I'm getting some very useful information. The Ripio in it's largest size, is a touch too small for me  unfortunatly.

My rational with the Shepa is if I'm going to have that style of bike, then I would like to use it to tour off road and take advantage of it's strength and the option to fit 2.3 tyres would be very useful on a bike of that style.

Dan. I was leaning towards the Sherpa until I read your post. You have said exactly what I thought the difference between the two woud be.

Cheers!

Philb

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2012, 11:47:40 PM »
After reading the post of owners and two cups of coffee, I've decided to go with the Club Tour.

I know Sherpa owners love their bikes and if I were going on mixed surface extended tours I would buy a Sherpa and load it to the gills and enjoy the strength and flexability, but I can't see myself doing that due to time.

For my use the Club Tour would allow quick two to three week tours and I would enjoy the 725 frame.

But I suppose I could buy both!

Thanks to all for the advice.

Phil

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2012, 11:53:15 PM »
Hi Phil!

It sounds as if you've made the perfect choice for your needs. It does sound to me as if the Club Tour would be better suited to the kind of touring and general riding you're most likely to do.

If you wish to triangulate and affirm that choice, there's plenty of information on offer to do so:

Some time ago, (2009), Chris Juden tested the Club Tour for Cycle magazine. Some of his obervations regarding rack eyelets and possible toe overlap on his older test model (originally built for another customer) proved controversial over at the CTC Forum, but the test may still prove helpful in weighing your choices:
http://tinyurl.com/9r6h3v8

Over at Bike Radar, someone asked for a touring bike recommendation, including the Club Tour among the choices. Others weighed in with their thoughts and opinions here:
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14657921

Vik Bannerjee, one of our formerly active Forum members, made a comparison between the Surly Long Haul Trucker and the Sherpa Mk2 on his blog back in 2008. In the comments section, an anonymous poster said, "Arguably the bike closest to the LHT in the Thorn line is Club Tour, not Sherpa":
http://thelazyrandonneur.blogspot.com/2008/07/lht-vs-sherpa.html

Sometimes, it helps to ask the person who owns a bike you're considering. Northern Walker has a blog where he details his ownership of a Thorn Audax Mk3 (like you) and a Club Tour. For the index page to both, see:
http://northernwalker.wordpress.com/tag/thorn-club-tour/
His Club Tour is a 620S, so pretty large. He talks about it here:
http://northernwalker.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/thorn-club-tour-620s-pics/
For the page devoted to his Club Tour upgrades, see:
http://northernwalker.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/thorn-club-tour-upgrades/
His Audax is reviewed here, for comparison:
http://northernwalker.wordpress.com/2011/05/08/thorn-audax-mk3-long-term-test/

His touring needs sound much like yours, and he has been very pleased with his choice as well.

Nick Andrew was in much the same dilemma as yourself, and weighed the Club Tour against his needs. He ultimately chose something else, but it is interesting to read why:
http://www.magbaztravels.com/content/view/856/29/

A nice selection of Club Tour photos can be found here:
http://www.flickriver.com/search/thorn+club+tour/

I'd love to see some photos in our gallery of your new steed when it arrives, both built-up and on-adventure.

All the best,

Dan.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2013, 07:01:10 PM by Danneaux »

Philb

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Re: Sherpa or Club tour?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2012, 12:54:56 AM »
Thanks Dan. Lots of great information to look at before I open my wallet.

Will post some pics of the build.

Phil