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keleher

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Oil leakage?
« on: June 04, 2012, 03:55:50 AM »
I changed my oil for the first time about 3 mo back. All seemed to go just like the video.

However, I've since been getting a lot of oil dripping down the vertical dropout and the external gearbox.

I've never seen oil around the plug, so I can only guess that oil must be coming through the sides of the hub, which I guess is where they used to get a lot of leaks in earlier versions.

The question is why. Could I have just pumped too much air back in?

More important is the question of how to fix it. I guess I can just do the replacement again. Once the plug is removed the air should equalize. Actually, I guess I could just open the plug now and then reseal.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
pete

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Re: Oil leakage?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2012, 07:41:28 AM »

Hi Pete

Potential oil leakage out of the side of the hub has been discussed here

http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4051.0

However, I wouldn't rule out the source of the leakage being the plug, it would seem too much of a coincidence for seals in the hub to fail at the same time as an oil change.

Your idea of repeating the oil change to equalise air pressure seems to me to be a good place to start and could save a lot of work/expense with more drastic remedies.  However, you should ensure you either use Loctite to re-seal the plug or buy a new plug with sealant on it, the merits of either approach has also been discussed in a previous thread.

Good luck.

Jim (can't help thinking again that Rohloffs are like motor cars, they're great till something goes wrong)

Andre Jute

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Re: Oil leakage?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2012, 04:48:47 PM »
Coupla facts:

1. The Rohloff's breather hold is in the axle hollow. Where there's a hole, oil will seep.

2. There is no way that you can remove the correct amount of oil, about 12ml, from the Rohloff gearbox. It isn't so much liquid as a film sitting on the gears. So, no matter how much drips out, no harm will be done.

3. The standard 25ml is 66% more oil than the 15ml actually required.

I were you, I'd do nothing and wait to see if the oil stops dripping. I had a dripping problem that started some months after an oil change, at the change of the season, so that perhaps there was a change of general ambient air pressure, and I did nothing, just waited it out. At the next, routine oils change, done at the normal time, I got less than expected out with the cleaning oil, but no harm appeared to have been done. On an earlier occasion, with a smaller drip,on advice here I changed the oil out of turn, but what came out appeared to be absolutely clean, so it was a waste of a service kit. Worth it at the time for the peace of mind though, so there is something to be said for it if you are well off enough not to count the cost of a service kit. But the longer I have a Rohloff, the less I worry about ta little mist of oil that seems to hang around it occasionally.

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Jobst Brandt, a most distinguished engineer (he designed the first Formula One disc brakes, for instance) and and even more distinguished cyclist (multiple Alpine crossings when he was already older than some of us would be lucky to get to be) always insisted that any seal that isn't leaking a little, is in the process of drying out and wrecking itself. A seal works by passing a little oil to lubircate itself and seal itself to the wall of the aperture. Makes sense. (I'm paraphrasing Jobst from memory. I hope he isn't getting apoplexy when he reads my version of what he said!)

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