Author Topic: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?  (Read 9000 times)

middlesprocket

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2009, 08:08:17 PM »
So knowing nothing about the fabrication of carbon fibre forks, is it possible do you think?

Or should we just discuss Einsteins Unified Field Theory. ;)

Oh I can just see them googling that one, never mind trying to spell it ;D

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2009, 08:17:00 PM »
This is how the caliper bosses are done already especially on my xc bike, i got talking to the guy who made/ designed the bike and , they are put on a jig and the metal bosses and attachments are wrapped at that stage with the fibre incoporating them into tha stays at that stage, however the mounts that are atthe end of the stays that attach them to the rear dropouts are bonded not sure whybut to me it would have made sense to adopt the same theory as the bosses for the calipers, and again where the seat stay meets the seat post this to is bonded. I guess at that point there is no choice but to do that.

But when all is said and done its only as strong as the bond itself not the steel its bonded to .

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2009, 08:19:13 PM »

 
 - Unified field theory is sometimes called the Theory of Everything (TOE, for short): the long-sought means of tying together all known phenomena to explain the nature and behavior of all matter and energy in existence. In physics, a field refers to an area under the influence of some force, such as gravity or electricity, for example. A unified field theory would reconcile seemingly incompatible aspects of various field theories to create a single comprehensive set of equations. Such a theory could potentially unlock all the secrets of nature and make a myriad of wonders possible, including such benefits as time travel and an inexhaustible source of clean energy, among many others. According to Michio Katu, a theoretical physicist at City College, City University of New York, those in pursuit of a unified field theory seek "an equation an inch long that would allow us to read the mind of God."
James Clerk Maxwell proposed the first field theory, for electromagnetism, in the middle of the 1800s. Early in the 20th century, Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity - dealing with gravitation - became the second field theory. The term unified field theory was coined by Einstein, who was attempting to prove that electromagnetism and gravity were different manifestations of a single fundamental field. When quantum theory entered the picture, the puzzle became more complex. The theory of relativity explains the nature and behavior of all phenomena on the macroscopic level (things that are visible to the naked eye); quantum theory explains the nature and behavior of all phenomena on the microscopic (atomic and subatomic) level. Perplexingly, however, the two theories are incompatible. Unconvinced that nature would prescribe totally different modes of behavior for phenomena that were simply scaled differently, Einstein sought a theory that would reconcile the two apparently irreconcilable theories that form the basis of modern physics.

 

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2009, 08:22:53 PM »
 

;) ;) See also The Philadelphia Experiment

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2009, 08:25:48 PM »
I love that stuff on me butties

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2009, 08:27:11 PM »
So conceivably it could be done that way for attachments for a lightweight rack on a carbon fork for a Sherpa.

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2009, 08:28:53 PM »
I see no reason why not as its going to be an inherant part of the fork not a juncture.


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spoon boy

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2009, 11:42:42 AM »
I am sure I remember something about carbon seat post's many years ago as well in that there was no visible signs of damage failure before it's actual failure happened at a critical stage and caused injury, broken carbon is very sharp

That said I think it was about the time carbon became fashionable and much money was being made and some less than professional manufacturers/suppliers allowed substandard seat post's onto the market. the bonding of carbon with metal must be done with the highest or professional standards and experience to ensure a safe and workable product

the ability also to use carbon to it's best advantage should be the driving force.

although another world tourer I considered a Koga world traveller, uses alloy and others use steel I still see the term "fit for purpose" in my head and I do not personally have that confidence in carbon forks being used for touring if you are going to use it laden and in a variety of domains and territories

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2009, 11:03:08 PM »
Yes fit for purpose comes to mind as well with aluminium, what was an exotic grade of material is now a mass produced part of the cycle frame industry. The major problem with aluminium is it starts to weaken from the moment you start riding it. There is no yield point with it which means you have to put more of the material in places where it’s needed and make the frame as stiff as you can.


Aluminium is along the same line of thought as carbon although it’s a little more trusting and unsurprising I think. The cyclic movement of the frame is what will eventually send it to the crusher, it can’t take any kind of bending or flexing and still carry on the way steel does.

Because of the very stiff frame and conveniently placed gussets its gives rather a dull and lifeless ride with little character and feel.  It has its place but I don’t think it’s for long term use and again on any sort of repair it’s not so easy to do and it will cause a stress point if you do manage to weld it, which is normally taken out at the manufacture stage by solution hardening.

I have noticed on some of the cheaper carbon posts, they wrap it over an alluminium post first to give the look of carbon but the strength of alluminium.

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2009, 04:06:52 PM »

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Re: Carbon forks on a hard core tourer ?
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2009, 05:56:15 PM »
Well well,  and then expr said let there be light.