thanks Julian and Dan great links .
the wife told me i wasn't getting a knife
:'(that £16 Mora will cost me 33euro by the time it reached my door,found one on an Irish site and with postage it will cost the same.
now if it were me spending the dosh i would be buying the top of the line
but i have to use the auld credit card which is in the governors name .
so unless Santa brings me one i have no chance.
jags.