Author Topic: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person  (Read 3268 times)


macspud

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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2013, 04:23:58 PM »
Looks like someone set about it quite brutally to remove a stuck seatpost.

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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2013, 07:10:00 PM »
Oh, what a pity!

Looks as if someone tried to saw *through* the right side of the seat cluster into the brass fillet just above the seatstay and below the clamp lug.

Not going to be all that "fixable"...

Also posed with no headset or padding 'tween the crown and head tube, making for some needless paint chips if the rest had been good. Danneaux's pet peeve: When people "pose" their eBay frame on pavement, balancing on BB and fork ends. That makes for paint damage never found in ordinary use.  :'( A little block of wood or scrap of cardboard beneath would make such a difference toward keeping the finish nice for prospective buyers.

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Dan.

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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2013, 07:17:26 PM »
so is that frame useless .

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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2013, 07:36:56 PM »
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so is that frame useless .
Well...yep, depending on how resourceful/risk-averse the buyer. In other words, I wouldn't want to risk it, but someone might get away with riding this for quite awhile. The joint is largely under compression.

If they could have stopped before hacksawing the brass, it would have been better, but evenso...the crack is right between the stays. If the bike had used a side-stay attachment instead of a fastback, it might have been possible to drill a new crack-stop hole and extend the compression kerf down to it. In that case, all would likely have been well.

In this case...assuming the seat collar and tube top have not been distorted, much will depend on how the seatpost fits and whether the crack propagates further downward when it is clamped. A stop-crack hole would still be a good idea, but it will be hard to drill one large enough to dissipate the stress.

With this beautifully fillet-brazed frame and light tubing, it isn't as if there's a seat lug there for reinforcement. Unbrazing the joint and slipping on a seat lug would be more costly than worth it and risky as well; I'd be concerned about that much more heat in the tube ends.

A bit hard to tell from these photos, but it appears the seat clamp "ears" aren't parallel.

There's some story behind this. Fairly presented, though.

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Dan.
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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2013, 07:37:47 PM »
I did wonder if at one time a rather attractive Brooks saddle adorned it and.... That's probably just me though.

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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2013, 08:55:01 PM »
It is really annoying as it is 'my size'!
Ah well, another day?
John

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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2013, 09:01:59 PM »
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It is really annoying as it is 'my size'!
'Thought of that straight off John. What a shame it isn't sound!

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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 10:15:00 AM »
It may be fixable but it all depends on your budget...the clamp can be replaced, the hairline crack can be repaired but it will cook the paint on top and is £100 work at least + shipping + repaint if you're "anal".

So a bit risky...want to bet £120 or not is the Q :)
Pedal to the metal! Wind, rain, hills, braking power permitting ;)

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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 11:30:28 AM »
Vendor tells me the stamped size on bottom bracket is 580S which (thankfully) is not correct for me!
John

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Re: Ebay: Audax frame for a resourceful person
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 02:12:52 PM »
Ow that's pretty big! Too big for me too....

One day...!
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